From donnamarievincent at yahoo.com Mon Apr 7 10:21:22 2008 From: donnamarievincent at yahoo.com (Donna Marie Vincent) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 07:21:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [joomla] Shopping cart with gift certificate purchase and redemption Message-ID: <406251.61601.qm@web35607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Before I start trying to customize Virtuemart to achieve this -- Does anyone know of a shopping cart system that will allow users to purchase gift certificates online, and with the option to redeem the gift certificates online or offline? It would have to create a unique serial number for the certificate, email it to the user, have a way to verify the coupon code for online redemptions, and possibly track partial usage of the coupon. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From norman at enorm2.com Mon Apr 7 11:24:41 2008 From: norman at enorm2.com (Norman ONeil) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 11:24:41 -0400 Subject: [joomla] Shopping cart with gift certificate purchase and redemption In-Reply-To: <406251.61601.qm@web35607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <406251.61601.qm@web35607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I don't know about virtuemart, but for offline purchases you could just set-up another product Norman O'Neil eNorm P.O. Box 6592 Portsmouth, NH 03802- 6592 978.255.2672 http://www.enorm2.com On Apr 7, 2008, at 10:21 AM, Donna Marie Vincent wrote: > Before I start trying to customize Virtuemart to achieve this -- > > Does anyone know of a shopping cart system that will allow users to > purchase gift certificates online, and with the option to redeem > the gift certificates online or offline? > > It would have to create a unique serial number for the certificate, > email it to the user, have a way to verify the coupon code for > online redemptions, and possibly track partial usage of the coupon. > > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP SIG: Joomla! Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/joomla > > NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online > http://www.nyphpcon.com > > Show Your Participation in New York PHP > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php From paul at gubavision.com Mon Apr 7 12:04:30 2008 From: paul at gubavision.com (paul at gubavision.com) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 12:04:30 -0400 Subject: [joomla] WYSIWYG Editor Message-ID: <20080407120430.b5nppjo40c40g0gs@mail.fluidhosting.com> Recently updated a couple of personal sites to 1.5. Not real happy with TinyMCE as an editor. I am quite disappointed in image management or the lack of. As I am a photographer adding images to articles is pretty much a given. Was wondering what other people are using before I go through installing another editor. Paul Guba From norman at enorm2.com Mon Apr 7 12:07:03 2008 From: norman at enorm2.com (Norman ONeil) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 12:07:03 -0400 Subject: [joomla] WYSIWYG Editor In-Reply-To: <20080407120430.b5nppjo40c40g0gs@mail.fluidhosting.com> References: <20080407120430.b5nppjo40c40g0gs@mail.fluidhosting.com> Message-ID: JCE has been the best of my experience so far http://www.cellardoor.za.net/ Norman O'Neil On Apr 7, 2008, at 12:04 PM, paul at gubavision.com wrote: > Recently updated a couple of personal sites to 1.5. Not real happy > with TinyMCE as an editor. I am quite disappointed in image > management or the lack of. As I am a photographer adding images to > articles is pretty much a given. Was wondering what other people > are using before I go through installing another editor. > > Paul Guba > > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP SIG: Joomla! Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/joomla > > NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online > http://www.nyphpcon.com > > Show Your Participation in New York PHP > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php From li_gordon at yahoo.com Mon Apr 7 14:39:41 2008 From: li_gordon at yahoo.com (Laura Gordon) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 11:39:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [joomla] WYSIWYG Editor In-Reply-To: <20080407120430.b5nppjo40c40g0gs@mail.fluidhosting.com> Message-ID: <702294.67056.qm@web31807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Was wondering what other people are using before I go through installing another editor. Paul Guba _______________________________________________ New York PHP SIG: Joomla! Mailing List http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/joomla NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online http://www.nyphpcon.com Show Your Participation in New York PHP http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at gubavision.com Mon Apr 7 15:51:32 2008 From: paul at gubavision.com (paul at gubavision.com) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 15:51:32 -0400 Subject: [joomla] WYSIWYG Editor In-Reply-To: <607665.53501.qm@web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <607665.53501.qm@web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080407155132.1i6tatg3qosw4co8@mail.fluidhosting.com> I have used FCK in the past and was happy mostly. I have read that it was not playing nicely with Joomla 1.5 have your experiences been different? Paul Guba Quoting Donna Marie Vincent : > I second that. > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Laura Gordon > To: NYPHP SIG: Joomla > Sent: Monday, April 7, 2008 2:39:41 PM > Subject: Re: [joomla] WYSIWYG Editor > > I like FCK and FCK2 > > -- Laura > > > > http://www.rytechmemories.com > Create Beautiful movies for your family > Create dynamic websites for your company! > > > --- On Mon, 4/7/08, paul at gubavision.com wrote: > From: paul at gubavision.com > Subject: [joomla] WYSIWYG Editor > To: "NYPHP SIG: Joomla" > Date: Monday, April 7, 2008, 12:04 PM > > Recently updated a couple of personal sites to 1.5. Not real happy > with TinyMCE as an editor. I am quite disappointed in image management > or the lack of. As I am a photographer adding images to articles is > pretty much a given. Was wondering what other people are using before > I go through installing another editor. > > Paul Guba > > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP SIG: Joomla! Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/joomla > > NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online > http://www.nyphpcon.com > > Show Your Participation in New York PHP > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php > > > From ircmaxell at yahoo.com Mon Apr 7 16:22:18 2008 From: ircmaxell at yahoo.com (Anthony Ferrara) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 13:22:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [joomla] April's meeting In-Reply-To: <20080407155132.1i6tatg3qosw4co8@mail.fluidhosting.com> Message-ID: <707196.34329.qm@web34202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My apologies for the delay in getting this announce out... Here's April's meeting... Aprils meeting will be held at Robert Half (245 Park Ave, 25th Floor) as usual, on Thursday, April 10th starting at 6:00pm. Here?s the breakdown for this month: 6:00 ? 6:30 : General meet and greet, no formal structure. 6:30 ? 7:00 : Question and Answer sessions. 7:00 ? 8:00 : Joomla vs. Drupal, by Forrest Mars. In a talk that's sure to be simultaneously light-hearted and heavy-hitting, Forest Mars breaks down the differences (and some similarities) between the Joomla! and Drupal content management systems, neither of which, it should be noted, are even in the top 10 of CMSes (according to a secret study not released by Google.) The talk is aimed primarily at Joomla! developers who want to see how the other half lives, which is somewhat logical since migration from Drupal to Joomla is a bit like driving the wrong way during a Grand Prix. Forest Mars is a Web Developer and Network Architect best known for starting New York's Only Free Internet Cafe and the first Wireless ISP in Manhattan. He is currently working on a Video-on-Demand system for smart phones, but then who isn't? Contact him directly via forest-at-bway-dot-net. 8:00 ? 8:30 : More Q&A / Site Showcase 8:30 ? Whenever ? TGI Fridays (47 East 42nd St). ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com From norman at enorm2.com Tue Apr 8 09:25:41 2008 From: norman at enorm2.com (Norman ONeil) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 09:25:41 -0400 Subject: [joomla] WYSIWYG Editor In-Reply-To: <702294.67056.qm@web31807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <702294.67056.qm@web31807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Just curious, why do you like fck over jce? Norman O'Neil eNorm P.O. Box 6592 Portsmouth, NH 03802- 6592 978.255.2672 http://www.enorm2.com On Apr 7, 2008, at 2:39 PM, Laura Gordon wrote: > I like FCK and FCK2 > > > -- Laura > > > > http://www.rytechmemories.com > Create Beautiful movies for your family > Create dynamic websites for your company! > > > --- On Mon, 4/7/08, paul at gubavision.com wrote: > From: paul at gubavision.com > Subject: [joomla] WYSIWYG Editor > To: "NYPHP SIG: Joomla" > Date: Monday, April 7, 2008, 12:04 PM > > Recently updated a couple of personal sites to 1.5. Not real happy > with TinyMCE as an editor. I am quite disappointed in image > management or the lack of. As I am a photographer adding images to > articles is pretty much a given. Was wondering what other people > are using before I go through installing another editor. Paul Guba > _______________________________________________ New York PHP SIG: > Joomla! Mailing List http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/joomla > NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online http://www.nyphpcon.com Show > Your Participation in New York PHP http://www.nyphp.org/ > show_participation.php > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP SIG: Joomla! Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/joomla > > NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online > http://www.nyphpcon.com > > Show Your Participation in New York PHP > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php From ssours at wellesley.edu Wed Apr 9 09:48:32 2008 From: ssours at wellesley.edu (Sue Sours) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 09:48:32 -0400 Subject: [joomla] Re: Shopping cart with gift certificate purchase In-Reply-To: <200804071603.m37G3FWw001454@cliff.wellesley.edu> References: <200804071603.m37G3FWw001454@cliff.wellesley.edu> Message-ID: Re: gift certificates: Have you looked at using virtuemart's coupon feature as a gift certificate? I haven't used their coupons so I don't know how well it works, but looks like a coupon could be set up as a percentage or a total amount. Just a thought. Sue Sours Web Manager Wellesley Centers for Women www.wcwonline.org e-mail: ssours at wellesley.edu phone: 781-283-2560 Wellesley College 106 Central Street Wellesley, MA 02481 From donnamarievincent at yahoo.com Wed Apr 9 10:33:18 2008 From: donnamarievincent at yahoo.com (Donna Marie Vincent) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 07:33:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [joomla] Re: Shopping cart with gift certificate purchase Message-ID: <718578.29620.qm@web35602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes, I'm familiar with Virtuemart's coupon. You can't use the same coupon # for all gift certificates you sell. Coupons are created manually in Virtuemart so you would have to program Virtuemart to create a unique coupon code every time a gift certificate was sold. ----- Original Message ---- From: Sue Sours To: joomla at lists.nyphp.org Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2008 9:48:32 AM Subject: [joomla] Re: Shopping cart with gift certificate purchase Re: gift certificates: Have you looked at using virtuemart's coupon feature as a gift certificate? I haven't used their coupons so I don't know how well it works, but looks like a coupon could be set up as a percentage or a total amount. Just a thought. Sue Sours Web Manager Wellesley Centers for Women www.wcwonline.org e-mail: ssours at wellesley.edu phone: 781-283-2560 Wellesley College 106 Central Street Wellesley, MA 02481 _______________________________________________ New York PHP SIG: Joomla! 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I didn't notice that > > they did this when they switched over to phpBB, does > > anyone know when they > > did that? > > > > As a well-known and animated Warner Bros. character > > was known to remark > > "well, if you can't beat 'em, join em!" > > > > cheers, > > > > forest mars > > -- > > "In theory, theory and practice are exactly the > > same. > > In practice, they're completely different." > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Switch to Name.Space: http://namespace.org/switch > > Support new domains & keep free media free! Register > > yours today! > > https://secure.name-space.com/registry > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network > > Associates, Inc. and its > > affiliated companies. 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Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/joomla > > NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online > http://www.nyphpcon.com > > Show Your Participation in New York PHP > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php > From ircmaxell at yahoo.com Thu Apr 10 11:55:03 2008 From: ircmaxell at yahoo.com (Anthony Ferrara) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:55:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [joomla] April's meeting In-Reply-To: <707196.34329.qm@web34202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <935245.36483.qm@web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Registration is now closed. Everyone who has previously atended is on the list, and I've replied to everyone else new. If there's any doubt if your registration was recieved, you can email me and I'll gladly check, but the final list is in... --- Anthony Ferrara wrote: > My apologies for the delay in getting this announce > out... Here's April's meeting... > > Aprils meeting will be held at Robert Half (245 Park > Ave, 25th Floor) as usual, on Thursday, April 10th > starting at 6:00pm. Here?s the breakdown for this > month: > > 6:00 ? 6:30 : General meet and greet, no formal > structure. > > 6:30 ? 7:00 : Question and Answer sessions. > > 7:00 ? 8:00 : Joomla vs. Drupal, by Forrest Mars. > In a talk that's sure to be simultaneously > light-hearted and heavy-hitting, Forest Mars breaks > down the differences (and some similarities) between > the Joomla! and Drupal content management systems, > neither of which, it should be noted, are even in > the > top 10 of CMSes (according to a secret study not > released by Google.) The talk is aimed primarily at > Joomla! developers who want to see how the other > half > lives, which is somewhat logical since migration > from > Drupal to Joomla is a bit like driving the wrong way > during a Grand Prix. > > Forest Mars is a Web Developer and Network Architect > best known for starting New York's Only Free > Internet > Cafe and the first Wireless ISP in Manhattan. He is > currently working on a Video-on-Demand system for > smart phones, but then who isn't? Contact him > directly > via forest-at-bway-dot-net. > > 8:00 ? 8:30 : More Q&A / Site Showcase > > 8:30 ? Whenever ? TGI Fridays (47 East 42nd St). > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one > month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. > http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP SIG: Joomla! Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/joomla > > NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online > http://www.nyphpcon.com > > Show Your Participation in New York PHP > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From donnamarievincent at yahoo.com Fri Apr 11 10:11:03 2008 From: donnamarievincent at yahoo.com (Donna Marie Vincent) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 07:11:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [joomla] April 10 meeting -- follow-up Message-ID: <727909.89312.qm@web35607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks, Forest, for a wonderful presentation last night on the differences and similarities between Joomla and Drupal. The Drupal site showcase mentioned by Forest, for anyone who didn't geta chance to write it down, is http://www.drupalsites.net. As a follow-up to the discussion re YouTube clones, here is a demo of Seyret Video, a Joomla component: http://demo.templateplazza.com/video_plazza/ (Template Plazza created a template around Seyret, but the component pretty much looks like this out-of-the-box.) Drupal: 30 minutes Joomla: 3 minutes ;-) It was suggested that we have a Show & Tell at the end of each meeting. Anthony, can we fit this in to the meetings? Maybe 3-5 minutes for each person who wants to participate? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From li_gordon at yahoo.com Fri Apr 11 12:08:29 2008 From: li_gordon at yahoo.com (Laura Gordon) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 09:08:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [joomla] April 10 meeting -- follow-up In-Reply-To: <727909.89312.qm@web35607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <750356.15637.qm@web31814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scullion at web.de Sun Apr 20 15:45:17 2008 From: scullion at web.de (Andrew Markushin) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:45:17 +0200 Subject: [joomla] Joomla questions Message-ID: <480B9D4D.3020601@web.de> Hi folks I was looking for a Joomla mailing list and came across yours, which seemed to be the most decent one among all I looked at. (I don't really like participating in forums because of their "usability" features.) I'm new to Joomla and have a couple of questions about this CMS, but I'm not sure whether your group is the right place to ask, for you've been only talking about some meetings and conferences until now. May I still ask some silly questions :-) here, or would you rather redirect me to some other place where I could do it? Thanks, Andrew From ajai at bitblit.net Sun Apr 20 15:55:53 2008 From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:55:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [joomla] Joomla questions In-Reply-To: <480B9D4D.3020601@web.de> Message-ID: On Sun, 20 Apr 2008, Andrew Markushin wrote: > May I still ask some silly questions :-) here, or would you rather > redirect me to some other place where I could do it? Sure, tis is a good place to ask. -- Aj. From mitch.pirtle at gmail.com Mon Apr 21 13:42:56 2008 From: mitch.pirtle at gmail.com (Mitch Pirtle) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:42:56 -0400 Subject: [joomla] Joomla questions In-Reply-To: <480B9D4D.3020601@web.de> References: <480B9D4D.3020601@web.de> Message-ID: <330532b60804211042l1d511771tbd1ffb2a0c163c0@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Andrew Markushin wrote: > > Hi folks > > I was looking for a Joomla mailing list and came across yours, which seemed > to be the most decent one among all I looked at. (I don't really like > participating in forums because of their "usability" features.) I don't do forums often due to the trolls. As the moderator of this list I can assure you there is no leniency here as a result ;-) > I'm new to Joomla and have a couple of questions about this CMS, but I'm > not sure whether your group is the right place to ask, for you've been only > talking about some meetings and conferences until now. > > May I still ask some silly questions :-) here, or would you rather redirect > me to some other place where I could do it? Maybe asking if you can ask a question can be called a silly question, however let 'er rip! This is a pretty fun list of good people, and everyone here pitches in where they can. You'll be surprised at the breadth of knowledge and skills on this list. -- Mitch From scullion at web.de Mon Apr 21 14:14:27 2008 From: scullion at web.de (Andrew Markushin) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:14:27 +0200 Subject: [joomla] Joomla questions In-Reply-To: <330532b60804211042l1d511771tbd1ffb2a0c163c0@mail.gmail.com> References: <480B9D4D.3020601@web.de> <330532b60804211042l1d511771tbd1ffb2a0c163c0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <480CD983.9080807@web.de> Thanks for the warm welcome, guys! :-) Uh, where to start... :-) Okay, I have to build this website, which consists of three sub-sites that look pretty similar (same design, same topic, similar content) but are accessed via different URLs. The simplified structure looks like this: site 1 <-- accessed via www.site1.abc home events contact site 2 <-- accessed via www.site2.abc home about contact site 3 <-- accessed via www.site3.abc main about events archive The sites are not linked to each other; "site N"'s are not visible in menus; the sites look completely independent. They are hosted on the same server which allows domain mapping, i.e. I can redirect all requests to a single Joomla installation. Now the question is: how do I set three default pages, so that Joomla can select the correct one depending on the requested URL? Is this possible at all? Any workarounds? Thanks in advance! -- Andrew From mitch.pirtle at gmail.com Mon Apr 21 14:57:05 2008 From: mitch.pirtle at gmail.com (Mitch Pirtle) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:57:05 -0400 Subject: [joomla] Joomla questions In-Reply-To: <480CD983.9080807@web.de> References: <480B9D4D.3020601@web.de> <330532b60804211042l1d511771tbd1ffb2a0c163c0@mail.gmail.com> <480CD983.9080807@web.de> Message-ID: <330532b60804211157u255bbbc0k68420d6c1905eb18@mail.gmail.com> Good grief, what a silly question. *spacemonkey ducks under desk as the entire list throws tomatoes at him Ok, seriously now. Here's a good place to start looking: http://extensions.joomla.org/component/option,com_mtree/task,listcats/cat_id,1790/Itemid,35/ Ultimately you need to decide if you're going with Joomla 1.0 or 1.5, as your options are different depending on that decision. There are many folks on this list that probably have more experience than I using one or more of these extensions, as I tend to spend most of my time (if not all) under the hood at the framework level. Anyone else out there with experience doing this? -- Mitch On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Andrew Markushin wrote: > > Thanks for the warm welcome, guys! :-) > > Uh, where to start... :-) Okay, I have to build this website, which > consists of three sub-sites that look pretty similar (same design, same > topic, similar content) but are accessed via different URLs. The simplified > structure looks like this: > > site 1 <-- accessed via www.site1.abc > home > events > contact > site 2 <-- accessed via www.site2.abc > home > about > contact > site 3 <-- accessed via www.site3.abc > main > about > events > archive > > The sites are not linked to each other; "site N"'s are not visible in > menus; the sites look completely independent. They are hosted on the same > server which allows domain mapping, i.e. I can redirect all requests to a > single Joomla installation. > > Now the question is: how do I set three default pages, so that Joomla can > select the correct one depending on the requested URL? Is this possible at > all? Any workarounds? > > Thanks in advance! > > -- > > > Andrew > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP SIG: Joomla! Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/joomla > > NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online > http://www.nyphpcon.com > > Show Your Participation in New York PHP > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php > From scullion at web.de Tue Apr 22 16:40:02 2008 From: scullion at web.de (Andrew Markushin) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:40:02 +0200 Subject: [joomla] Joomla questions In-Reply-To: <330532b60804211157u255bbbc0k68420d6c1905eb18@mail.gmail.com> References: <480B9D4D.3020601@web.de> <330532b60804211042l1d511771tbd1ffb2a0c163c0@mail.gmail.com> <480CD983.9080807@web.de> <330532b60804211157u255bbbc0k68420d6c1905eb18@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <480E4D22.7080509@web.de> > Ok, seriously now. Here's a good place to start looking: > http://extensions.joomla.org/component/option,com_mtree/task,listcats/cat_id,1790/Itemid,35/ Thanks, Mitch. Most of these extensions are commercial, the rest do not support version 1.5 (and I'd like to try this one out). Besides, if I understood correctly, these extensions allow to manage multiple sites from one backend, which is not my case. I might be wrong, but I've got a feeling that having a separate installation for each of my three sites (which are very alike, like I mentioned) is an overkill. A thought about a nasty cheat just crossed my mind: I could create a separate menu for each site, which would only be visible if "in itself", and a non-joomla welcome page (which I need anyway). From that page, I could redirect visitors to the "Homes" of the corresponding menus depending on the requested URL. Since Joomla is installed in a subdirectory, no 'index.php' clashes will occur. I know it's quite a special case anyway, and my cheat is not even Joomla-related, but still, what do you think? -- Andrew From mitch.pirtle at gmail.com Tue Apr 22 17:32:01 2008 From: mitch.pirtle at gmail.com (Mitch Pirtle) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:32:01 -0400 Subject: [joomla] Joomla questions In-Reply-To: <480E4D22.7080509@web.de> References: <480B9D4D.3020601@web.de> <330532b60804211042l1d511771tbd1ffb2a0c163c0@mail.gmail.com> <480CD983.9080807@web.de> <330532b60804211157u255bbbc0k68420d6c1905eb18@mail.gmail.com> <480E4D22.7080509@web.de> Message-ID: <330532b60804221432l5cdf4485vfe055b8f2adb18a2@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Andrew Markushin wrote: > > A thought about a nasty cheat just crossed my mind: I could create a > separate menu for each site, which would only be visible if "in itself", and > a non-joomla welcome page (which I need anyway). From that page, I could > redirect visitors to the "Homes" of the corresponding menus depending on the > requested URL. Since Joomla is installed in a subdirectory, no 'index.php' > clashes will occur. > > I know it's quite a special case anyway, and my cheat is not even > Joomla-related, but still, what do you think? Path of least resistance, that's a sound strategy and if it suits your needs then you're done :-) -- Mitch From donnamarievincent at yahoo.com Tue Apr 22 20:59:46 2008 From: donnamarievincent at yahoo.com (Donna Marie Vincent) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:59:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [joomla] host Message-ID: <361350.80650.qm@web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think at the last meeting someone mentioned 1and1 webhost and a negative experience with them. Am I remembering correctly and does anyone know what the problem at 1and1 was? I'm asking because I have 2 new clients who are hosting with them. TIA. From masimko at verizon.net Wed Apr 23 13:35:26 2008 From: masimko at verizon.net (Mark Simko) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:35:26 -0400 Subject: [joomla] Re: Joomla questions In-Reply-To: <0JZS00JEQCQAQJS2@vms169129.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0JZS00JEQCQAQJS2@vms169129.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <1208972126.6244.16.camel@jersey> > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:40:02 +0200 > From: Andrew Markushin > Subject: Re: [joomla] Joomla questions > To: NYPHP SIG: Joomla > Message-ID: <480E4D22.7080509 at web.de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > > > Ok, seriously now. Here's a good place to start looking: > > > http://extensions.joomla.org/component/option,com_mtree/task,listcats/cat_id,1790/Itemid,35/ > > Thanks, Mitch. Most of these extensions are commercial, the rest do > not > support version 1.5 (and I'd like to try this one out). Besides, if I > understood correctly, these extensions allow to manage multiple sites > from one backend, which is not my case. I might be wrong, but I've got > a > feeling that having a separate installation for each of my three > sites > (which are very alike, like I mentioned) is an overkill. > > A thought about a nasty cheat just crossed my mind: I could create a > separate menu for each site, which would only be visible if "in > itself", > and a non-joomla welcome page (which I need anyway). From that page, > I > could redirect visitors to the "Homes" of the corresponding menus > depending on the requested URL. Since Joomla is installed in a > subdirectory, no 'index.php' clashes will occur. > > I know it's quite a special case anyway, and my cheat is not even > Joomla-related, but still, what do you think? > > -- How about 3 different installs, but share the same database with the same table prefix. The default is jos_. This way, any material you add to one 'site' will be available in the others. You may have to share the same template, but if you use different templates with the same name, that may give you the variation in look that you need. As always, test locally first. From masimko at verizon.net Wed Apr 23 13:48:13 2008 From: masimko at verizon.net (Mark Simko) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:48:13 -0400 Subject: [joomla] Re: joomla Digest, Vol 16, Issue 9 In-Reply-To: <0JZS00JEQCQAQJS2@vms169129.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0JZS00JEQCQAQJS2@vms169129.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <1208972893.6244.30.camel@jersey> > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:59:46 -0700 (PDT) > From: Donna Marie Vincent > Subject: [joomla] host > To: Joomla Users Group List > Message-ID: <361350.80650.qm at web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I think at the last meeting someone mentioned 1and1 webhost and a negative experience with them. Am I remembering correctly and does anyone know what the problem at 1and1 was? > > I'm asking because I have 2 new clients who are hosting with them. > > TIA. > > I have several sites up with them. Anthony claims that they are using an older version of mysql while setting the system to report using a newer version. Anthony also had trouble getting a domain released so he could move it to another hosting provider. I haven't run into those problems myself. I've found that Joomla 1.5 is slow on the sites that I have up. I haven't called them and asked them to move the sites to faster servers. Perhaps next week I'll try that and let you know how it goes. I've also found that I've had issues with the built in sef on the 1and1 hosts. If I recall, the configuration setting didn't help at first, but that was with 1.5.1, and I haven't revisited the issue with 1.5.2 1and1 has a lot of easy to use management tools in their web interface. I like that when you have to set up a site for a group, and you aren't getting paid for it. You can set them up, point them to the tools, and let them manage it themselves from that point forward. I've also found the support at 1and1 to be good. I think they have 24x7 phone support. Short waits. Always helpful. Best, Mark From wkamm at rvyriptide.org Wed Apr 23 14:12:29 2008 From: wkamm at rvyriptide.org (Bill Kamm) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:12:29 -0400 Subject: [joomla] Re: joomla Digest, Vol 16, Issue 9 In-Reply-To: <1208972893.6244.30.camel@jersey> References: <0JZS00JEQCQAQJS2@vms169129.mailsrvcs.net> <1208972893.6244.30.camel@jersey> Message-ID: <480F7C0D.1050102@rvyriptide.org> Mark Simko wrote: >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:59:46 -0700 (PDT) >> From: Donna Marie Vincent >> Subject: [joomla] host >> To: Joomla Users Group List >> Message-ID: <361350.80650.qm at web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> I think at the last meeting someone mentioned 1and1 webhost and a negative experience with them. Am I remembering correctly and does anyone know what the problem at 1and1 was? >> >> I'm asking because I have 2 new clients who are hosting with them. >> >> TIA. >> >> >> > > I have several sites up with them. Anthony claims that they are using an > older version of mysql while setting the system to report using a newer > version. Anthony also had trouble getting a domain released so he could > move it to another hosting provider. > > I haven't run into those problems myself. > > I've found that Joomla 1.5 is slow on the sites that I have up. I > haven't called them and asked them to move the sites to faster servers. > Perhaps next week I'll try that and let you know how it goes. > > I've also found that I've had issues with the built in sef on the 1and1 > hosts. If I recall, the configuration setting didn't help at first, but > that was with 1.5.1, and I haven't revisited the issue with 1.5.2 > > 1and1 has a lot of easy to use management tools in their web interface. > I like that when you have to set up a site for a group, and you aren't > getting paid for it. You can set them up, point them to the tools, and > let them manage it themselves from that point forward. > > I've also found the support at 1and1 to be good. I think they have 24x7 > phone support. Short waits. Always helpful. > > Best, > Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP SIG: Joomla! Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/joomla > > NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online > http://www.nyphpcon.com > > Show Your Participation in New York PHP > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php > > Like Anthony, I have had problems with 1 and 1 doing whatever they could to prevent me from changing registrars. Here's what happened. When I tried to change registrars on one of my domains, they closed my account. The technical and admin email addresses were on that domain, so I couldn't receive email. In order for my new registrar to make the change, they needed me to confirm it via email. I couldn't get the email, and the change was held up for about a month. In the meantime, I couldn't use the web site because the account was closed, and I wasn't receiving any email. I called them many times. Yes, they usually answered the phone quickly, but every time I called for status they had an excuse, saying that their transfer department was working on it, and that I would receive a callback with status within 24 hours. They never called back. One time I got one of them to give me his extension. When I called it, it was a non-existent number. And they would never transfer me to their transfer department. I finally opened a new account using the same name, just so I could change the email addresses registered with the domain. Now they keep sending me billing notices for $3.86 for the few days the account was re-opened. I would definitely stay away from them. Bill -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donnamarievincent at yahoo.com Wed Apr 23 14:22:33 2008 From: donnamarievincent at yahoo.com (Donna Marie Vincent) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [joomla] 1and1 webhost Message-ID: <266973.41141.qm@web35608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks for refreshing my memory. And a friend of mine just told me she has been waiting 2 weeks for them to release her domain name. ----- Original Message ---- From: Mark Simko To: joomla at lists.nyphp.org Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 1:48:13 PM Subject: [joomla] Re: joomla Digest, Vol 16, Issue 9 > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:59:46 -0700 (PDT) > From: Donna Marie Vincent > Subject: [joomla] host > To: Joomla Users Group List > Message-ID: <361350.80650.qm at web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I think at the last meeting someone mentioned 1and1 webhost and a negative experience with them. Am I remembering correctly and does anyone know what the problem at 1and1 was? > > I'm asking because I have 2 new clients who are hosting with them. > > TIA. > > I have several sites up with them. Anthony claims that they are using an older version of mysql while setting the system to report using a newer version. Anthony also had trouble getting a domain released so he could move it to another hosting provider. I haven't run into those problems myself. I've found that Joomla 1.5 is slow on the sites that I have up. I haven't called them and asked them to move the sites to faster servers. Perhaps next week I'll try that and let you know how it goes. I've also found that I've had issues with the built in sef on the 1and1 hosts. If I recall, the configuration setting didn't help at first, but that was with 1.5.1, and I haven't revisited the issue with 1.5.2 1and1 has a lot of easy to use management tools in their web interface. I like that when you have to set up a site for a group, and you aren't getting paid for it. You can set them up, point them to the tools, and let them manage it themselves from that point forward. I've also found the support at 1and1 to be good. I think they have 24x7 phone support. Short waits. Always helpful. Best, Mark _______________________________________________ New York PHP SIG: Joomla! Mailing List http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/joomla NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online http://www.nyphpcon.com Show Your Participation in New York PHP http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php From scullion at web.de Wed Apr 23 16:39:50 2008 From: scullion at web.de (Andrew Markushin) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:39:50 +0200 Subject: [joomla] Re: Joomla questions In-Reply-To: <1208972126.6244.16.camel@jersey> References: <0JZS00JEQCQAQJS2@vms169129.mailsrvcs.net> <1208972126.6244.16.camel@jersey> Message-ID: <480F9E96.9090505@web.de> Mark Simko wrote: > How about 3 different installs, but share the same database with the > same table prefix. The default is jos_. This way, any material you add > to one 'site' will be available in the others. You may have to share the > same template, but if you use different templates with the same name, > that may give you the variation in look that you need. Thanks, Mark. The information on my sites is different, only the structure is very similar, so if I decide in favor of 3 different installations, I would also use 3 separate databases to be more flexible. Speaking of templates: is it possible to slightly change the installed template dynamically depending on the requested "page"? For example (simplified), if a visitor goes to "books", there is a book image in the background, and on "cars" it's a car? -- Andrew From norman at enorm2.com Wed Apr 23 21:39:47 2008 From: norman at enorm2.com (Norman ONeil) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:39:47 -0400 Subject: [joomla] Re: Joomla questions In-Reply-To: <480F9E96.9090505@web.de> References: <0JZS00JEQCQAQJS2@vms169129.mailsrvcs.net> <1208972126.6244.16.camel@jersey> <480F9E96.9090505@web.de> Message-ID: <2418404B-14A0-4A2A-8CEE-43C0185631E8@enorm2.com> Yes that is pretty simple, it is an option in the template manager Norman O'Neil eNorm P.O. Box 6592 Portsmouth, NH 03802- 6592 978.255.2672 http://www.enorm2.com On Apr 23, 2008, at 4:39 PM, Andrew Markushin wrote: > > Mark Simko wrote: >> How about 3 different installs, but share the same database with the >> same table prefix. The default is jos_. This way, any material you >> add >> to one 'site' will be available in the others. You may have to >> share the >> same template, but if you use different templates with the same name, >> that may give you the variation in look that you need. > > Thanks, Mark. The information on my sites is different, only the > structure is very similar, so if I decide in favor of 3 different > installations, I would also use 3 separate databases to be more > flexible. > > Speaking of templates: is it possible to slightly change the > installed template dynamically depending on the requested "page"? > For example (simplified), if a visitor goes to "books", there is a > book image in the background, and on "cars" it's a car? > > -- > Andrew > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP SIG: Joomla! Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/joomla > > NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online > http://www.nyphpcon.com > > Show Your Participation in New York PHP > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php From scullion at web.de Thu Apr 24 15:39:29 2008 From: scullion at web.de (Andrew Markushin) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 21:39:29 +0200 Subject: [joomla] Re: Joomla questions In-Reply-To: <2418404B-14A0-4A2A-8CEE-43C0185631E8@enorm2.com> References: <0JZS00JEQCQAQJS2@vms169129.mailsrvcs.net> <1208972126.6244.16.camel@jersey> <480F9E96.9090505@web.de> <2418404B-14A0-4A2A-8CEE-43C0185631E8@enorm2.com> Message-ID: <4810E1F1.8060103@web.de> >> Speaking of templates: is it possible to slightly change the installed >> template dynamically depending on the requested "page"? For example >> (simplified), if a visitor goes to "books", there is a book image in >> the background, and on "cars" it's a car? Norman ONeil wrote: > Yes that is pretty simple, it is an option in the template manager > Norman O'Neil Thanks, Norman. The only options I found there change the template statically and apply to the whole template, i.e. to all the "pages" this template is installed for. (Hope I was looking at the right place.) What I'd like to achieve, however, is a dynamic template change. I know this can be done by using modules, but modules belong to content and not to layout (right?). Consider this a "principle" question. :-) -- Andrew From debbie.salemink at gmail.com Fri Apr 25 12:14:18 2008 From: debbie.salemink at gmail.com (D. Salemink Klikstudio) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:14:18 +0200 Subject: [joomla] autopublish menu's Message-ID: <352c93420804250914s73d13464sad0c0da89692fdf1@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Is there anybody who knows of a way to autopublish menu items that link to a category blog lay-out once the first content is added to the category and vice versa, unpublish the menu item when no content is published. Something like the way a module works when you use From compustretch at gmail.com Fri Apr 25 17:21:44 2008 From: compustretch at gmail.com (forest mars) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:21:44 -0400 Subject: [joomla] Re: Joomla questions In-Reply-To: <480F9E96.9090505@web.de> References: <0JZS00JEQCQAQJS2@vms169129.mailsrvcs.net> <1208972126.6244.16.camel@jersey> <480F9E96.9090505@web.de> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Andrew Markushin wrote: > > Thanks, Mark. The information on my sites is different, only the structure > is very similar, so if I decide in favor of 3 different installations, I > would also use 3 separate databases to be more flexible. > But the original question was: "Now the question is: how do I set three default pages, so that Joomla can select the correct one depending on the requested URL?" So either it's going to be separate installs, in which case Joomla *isn't* going to select the correct one, or if you are doing a single install, then it seems like you've answered your own question. In any case it sounds like you are just looking to clone some of your structure and templating. Of course in Drupal switching between 3 databases on the fly is borderline trivial. :::ducks::: Having done single Joomla! installs accessed via multiple front-ends / domains, I can only say it's quite fun once you've wrapped your brain around it, and I highly recommend that approach either as a solution, or even just for the experience of setting it up. You do have to *trick* it a little to install, but after that it runs flawlessly. I'd also suggest reading up on MVC (Model-View-Controller) which Joomla mainly conforms to. cheers, Forest Mars -- "In theory, theory and practice are exactly the same. In practice, they're completely different." ------------------------------------------------------------------ Switch to Name.Space: http://namespace.org/switch Support new domains & keep free media free! 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Data is assigned to "sites" by means of sections/categories. It's not cloning (which would mean "having several instances"), it's keeping things as compact as possible. > Having done single Joomla! installs accessed via multiple front-ends > / domains, I can only say it's quite fun once you've wrapped your > brain around it, and I highly recommend that approach either as a > solution, or even just for the experience of setting it up. You do > have to *trick* it a little to install, but after that it runs > flawlessly. There we go -- *how* did you do that? Was your problem similar to mine? What was the trick? (Of course I understand there must be some trick, but my brain just refuses to produce a reasonable guess, that's why I asked that very first question.) NB: I don't want to hack the Joomla's core, despite the fact that this would be a dirty but quick solution. I'm still looking for a "legal" way. :-) > I'd also suggest reading up on MVC (Model-View-Controller) which > Joomla mainly conforms to. This design pattern is not new to me, but I'm afraid I can't see the connection... -- Andrew From compustretch at gmail.com Tue Apr 29 17:04:32 2008 From: compustretch at gmail.com (forest mars) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:04:32 -0400 Subject: [joomla] Re: Joomla questions In-Reply-To: <48156CAF.2040004@web.de> References: <0JZS00JEQCQAQJS2@vms169129.mailsrvcs.net> <1208972126.6244.16.camel@jersey> <480F9E96.9090505@web.de> <48156CAF.2040004@web.de> Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 2:20 AM, Andrew Markushin wrote: > There we go -- *how* did you do that? Was your problem similar to mine? > What was the trick? (Of course I understand there must be some trick, > but my brain just refuses to produce a reasonable guess, that's why I > asked that very first question.) > > NB: I don't want to hack the Joomla's core, despite the fact that this > would be a dirty but quick solution. I'm still looking for a "legal" > way. :-) Not *really* a hack at all, certainly not a core hack. Trying to recall exactly what I had to do, because I thought the Joomla installer allows you to drop all existing tables, but I remember there were places where it complained about something already existing. What I ended up doing was some behind the scenes manual deletion, then running the installer on the next domain but using the same settings. A quick check of the config files and all the sites, each with their own config files, were running off a single database. After that it was just a matter of templating the sites (you would never imagine they were in any way related the templates were so different) and of course creating separate block I mean module definitions for each domain. I'd welcome the opportunity to do another install like that again, seemed like I was having to just push what Joomla is set up to do just enough that I had to do some work-a-rounds, but not enough I had to violate the core. cheers, Forest Mars -- "In theory, theory and practice are exactly the same. In practice, they're completely different." --------------------------------------------------------------- Switch to Name.Space: http://namespace.org/switch Support new domains & keep free media free! Register yours today! https://secure.name-space.com/registry -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. 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