From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com Sat Nov 5 16:54:31 2011 From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 16:54:31 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] server configuration/synchronization tool Message-ID: <20111105205431.GA21777@panix.com> Hi Folks: I saw a presentation a year or two ago about an open source tool where one could compose a file describing a server configuration and then have that configuration distributed to your various servers and they'd do what needs to be done to be at that configuration. Pretty cool stuff. Now if I could only remember the name of that software! Help, please! Thanks, --Dan -- T H E A N A L Y S I S A N D S O L U T I O N S C O M P A N Y data intensive web and database programming http://www.AnalysisAndSolutions.com/ 4015 7th Ave #4, Brooklyn NY 11232 v: 718-854-0335 f: 718-854-0409 From tom at supertom.com Sat Nov 5 16:57:50 2011 From: tom at supertom.com (Tom Melendez) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 13:57:50 -0700 Subject: [nycphp-talk] server configuration/synchronization tool In-Reply-To: <20111105205431.GA21777@panix.com> References: <20111105205431.GA21777@panix.com> Message-ID: > > I saw a presentation a year or two ago about an open source tool where > one could compose a file describing a server configuration and then have > that configuration distributed to your various servers and they'd do > what needs to be done to be at that configuration. ?Pretty cool stuff. > Now if I could only remember the name of that software! ?Help, please! > Sounds like puppet, which I use and like. But there are several tools that do this, and thereby many associated religious wars. Thanks, Tom From matt at atopia.net Sat Nov 5 16:57:18 2011 From: matt at atopia.net (Matt Juszczak) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 20:57:18 +0000 Subject: [nycphp-talk] server configuration/synchronization tool Message-ID: <194254990-1320526760-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-440798333-@b14.c7.bise6.blackberry> Puppet? CFEngine? Chef? ------Original Message------ From: Daniel Convissor Sender: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org To: NYPHP Talk ReplyTo: NYPHP Talk Subject: [nycphp-talk] server configuration/synchronization tool Sent: Nov 5, 2011 16:54 Hi Folks: I saw a presentation a year or two ago about an open source tool where one could compose a file describing a server configuration and then have that configuration distributed to your various servers and they'd do what needs to be done to be at that configuration. Pretty cool stuff. Now if I could only remember the name of that software! Help, please! Thanks, --Dan -- T H E A N A L Y S I S A N D S O L U T I O N S C O M P A N Y data intensive web and database programming http://www.AnalysisAndSolutions.com/ 4015 7th Ave #4, Brooklyn NY 11232 v: 718-854-0335 f: 718-854-0409 _______________________________________________ New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com Sat Nov 5 17:15:02 2011 From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 17:15:02 -0400 Subject: [nycphp-talk] server configuration/synchronization tool In-Reply-To: <194254990-1320526760-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-440798333-@b14.c7.bise6.blackberry> References: <194254990-1320526760-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-440798333-@b14.c7.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <20111105211502.GA24321@panix.com> Hey Matt: > Puppet? CFEngine? Chef? YES, PUPPET! Thanks, --Dan -- T H E A N A L Y S I S A N D S O L U T I O N S C O M P A N Y data intensive web and database programming http://www.AnalysisAndSolutions.com/ 4015 7th Ave #4, Brooklyn NY 11232 v: 718-854-0335 f: 718-854-0409 From tuon1 at netzero.net Sun Nov 6 18:19:08 2011 From: tuon1 at netzero.net (tuon1 at netzero.net) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 23:19:08 GMT Subject: [nycphp-talk] Prefill Message-ID: <20111106.171908.14932.0@webmail53.dca.untd.com> Hi, Guys! This maybe a simple solution that I overlooked. I can't seem to get my variables to populate in text areas with "; ?> As I said, the input boxes work just fine, but the text area boxes didn't work and came up blank text area with no content at all. Thanks in advance. 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I can't seem to get my variables to populate in >text areas with "; >?> >As I said, the input boxes work just fine, but the text area boxes didn't work and came up >blank text area with no content at all. >Thanks in advance. >Paul Tuon ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 3000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4eb7521213c6b1524671st04duc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From justin at justinhileman.info Mon Nov 7 00:55:36 2011 From: justin at justinhileman.info (justin) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 21:55:36 -0800 Subject: [nycphp-talk] In-Reply-To: References: <20111106.213444.1268.0@webmail56.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 7:38 PM, Rob Marscher wrote: > > Content goes inside the textarea block element: > echo ""; > > And you'll want to escape the value of $variable2 ... It gets really awkward if $variable2 includes :) echo ""; From ramons at gmx.net Mon Nov 7 07:07:19 2011 From: ramons at gmx.net (David Krings) Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 07:07:19 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] In-Reply-To: <20111106.213444.1268.0@webmail56.dca.untd.com> References: <20111106.213444.1268.0@webmail56.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <4EB7C9F7.3030905@gmx.net> On 11/6/2011 10:34 PM, tuon1 at netzero.net wrote: > echo ""; > ?> The textarea tag does not have a value argument. You just include the default text within the tags. David From dorgan at donaldorgan.com Mon Nov 7 07:10:42 2011 From: dorgan at donaldorgan.com (Donald Organ) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 07:10:42 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] In-Reply-To: <20111106.213444.1268.0@webmail56.dca.untd.com> References: <20111106.213444.1268.0@webmail56.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: Your missing quotes around your values and what are you using a closing input tag? On Sunday, November 6, 2011, tuon1 at netzero.net wrote: > Hi, Guys! > I just realized that after sent my post, I made a mistake in my code. I just woke up and rushed to the computer and start typing half-asleep and ran off to work in a matter of 3 minutes. So the code to populate in the boxes should have been: > > $variable1 = 'John Doe'; > $variable2 = 'The sun is shining ..................blah blah blah'; > echo ""; > echo ""; > ?> > > Some reason only example1 input box gets populated and exampl2 showed nothing. > Any idea? > Thanks > Paul Tuon > >>Hi, Guys! > >>This maybe a simple solution that I overlooked. I can't seem to get my variables to populate in >text areas with "; >>?> >>As I said, the input boxes work just fine, but the text area boxes didn't work and came up >blank text area with no content at all. >>Thanks in advance. >>Paul Tuon > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Penny Stock Jumping 3000% > Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! > AwesomePennyStocks.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From tedd.sperling at gmail.com Mon Nov 7 17:44:07 2011 From: tedd.sperling at gmail.com (Tedd Sperling) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 17:44:07 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Prefill In-Reply-To: <20111106.171908.14932.0@webmail53.dca.untd.com> References: <20111106.171908.14932.0@webmail53.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <16DCE711-909C-48B6-9D12-69E6AF547EAD@gmail.com> On Nov 6, 2011, at 6:19 PM, tuon1 at netzero.net wrote: > Hi, Guys! > > This maybe a simple solution that I overlooked. I can't seem to get my variables to populate in text areas with "; > > ?> > > As I said, the input boxes work just fine, but the text area boxes didn't work and came up blank text area with no content at all. > > Thanks in advance. > > Paul Tuon > Paul: First, use of "" and not '<=' . In addition, your code may be used in an XML environment where '<=' is not recognized as being a PHP identifier. In any event, the way to do it is: // I prefer OR Second, let's look at what you told the interpreter to do -- namely echo "" a. You don't need an ending tag for an input statement, thus no is required. b. Your use of an echo (i.e., '"); or echo ''; There are other ways of doing this (note the mix of different quotes). For the second part, namely the is required. To do that I would suggest: echo(""); or echo ''; Please note the above is typed from memory and may have typos in it -- but it should be generally correct. Cheers, tedd _____________________ tedd at sperling.com http://sperling.com From tuon1 at netzero.net Tue Nov 8 00:50:03 2011 From: tuon1 at netzero.net (tuon1 at netzero.net) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 05:50:03 GMT Subject: [nycphp-talk] (no subject) Message-ID: <20111107.235003.4816.0@webmail55.dca.untd.com> >>>On Nov 6, 2011, at 6:19 PM, tuon1 at netzero.net wrote: >>> >> >>> echo ""; >> >>This is actually incorrect. The value needs to go in the the value attribute of the >>input element. Try this: >>echo '"; >> echo ""; >> >>Try this: >>echo ''; Thanks to all of you who responded, I tried and it works. Thanks again! Paul ---------- Original Message ---------- From: talk-request at lists.nyphp.org To: talk at lists.nyphp.org Subject: talk Digest, Vol 61, Issue 2 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 07:10:43 -0500 Send talk mailing list submissions to talk at lists.nyphp.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to talk-request at lists.nyphp.org You can reach the person managing the list at talk-owner at lists.nyphp.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of talk digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Prefill (tuon1 at netzero.net) 2. Re: Prefill (Rob Marscher) 3. (tuon1 at netzero.net) 4. Re: (Rob Marscher) 5. Re: (justin) 6. Re: (David Krings) 7. Re: (Donald Organ) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 23:19:08 GMT From: "tuon1 at netzero.net" To: talk at lists.nyphp.org Subject: [nycphp-talk] Prefill Message-ID: <20111106.171908.14932.0 at webmail53.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Hi, Guys! This maybe a simple solution that I overlooked. I can't seem to get my variables to populate in text areas with "; ?> As I said, the input boxes work just fine, but the text area boxes didn't work and came up blank text area with no content at all. Thanks in advance. Paul Tuon ____________________________________________________________ 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4eb71603739ca1512326st05duc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So the code to populate in the boxes should have been: "; echo "";?> Some reason only example1 input box gets populated and exampl2 showed nothing.Any idea?ThanksPaul Tuon >Hi, Guys! >This maybe a simple solution that I overlooked. I can't seem to get my variables to populate in >text areas with "; >?> >As I said, the input boxes work just fine, but the text area boxes didn't work and came up >blank text area with no content at all. >Thanks in advance. >Paul Tuon ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 3000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4eb7521213c6b1524671st04duc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It gets really awkward if $variable2 includes :) echo ""; ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 07:07:19 -0500 From: David Krings To: NYPHP Talk Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Message-ID: <4EB7C9F7.3030905 at gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 11/6/2011 10:34 PM, tuon1 at netzero.net wrote: > echo ""; > ?> The textarea tag does not have a value argument. You just include the default text within the tags. David ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 07:10:42 -0500 From: Donald Organ To: NYPHP Talk Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Your missing quotes around your values and what are you using a closing input tag? On Sunday, November 6, 2011, tuon1 at netzero.net wrote: > Hi, Guys! > I just realized that after sent my post, I made a mistake in my code. I just woke up and rushed to the computer and start typing half-asleep and ran off to work in a matter of 3 minutes. So the code to populate in the boxes should have been: > > $variable1 = 'John Doe'; > $variable2 = 'The sun is shining ..................blah blah blah'; > echo ""; > echo ""; > ?> > > Some reason only example1 input box gets populated and exampl2 showed nothing. > Any idea? > Thanks > Paul Tuon > >>Hi, Guys! > >>This maybe a simple solution that I overlooked. I can't seem to get my variables to populate in >text areas with "; >>?> >>As I said, the input boxes work just fine, but the text area boxes didn't work and came up >blank text area with no content at all. >>Thanks in advance. >>Paul Tuon > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Penny Stock Jumping 3000% > Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! > AwesomePennyStocks.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From garyamort at gmail.com Wed Nov 9 09:49:59 2011 From: garyamort at gmail.com (Gary Mort) Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 09:49:59 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Drupal Performance In-Reply-To: <4E9495A5.2000307@magpie.com> References: <5DFDBF3C-2FB5-485E-806E-FBA3D07AD8DC@electronink.com> <4E9495A5.2000307@magpie.com> Message-ID: <4EBA9317.8070103@gmail.com> On 10/11/2011 3:14 PM, Steve Manes wrote: > Another pertinent question is how many concurrent logged-in users do you > average? Drupal is actually pretty good about caching pages for > anonymous users because they all see essentially the same output. But > lots of login accounts creates lots of dynamic overhead, particular with > the database. While Drupal passes core common data in the environment, > the downside of modules is that they're each responsible for fetching > their own data from the database, where you're at the mercy of the > module developer. I found that using Cache Router, http://drupal.org/project/cacherouter actually worked quite well at caching for logged in users as well as anonymous users. Sadly, there won't be a version 7 of this module as someone else managed to get their own Caching scheme inserted into the core, and then proceeded to belittle and badmouth proposals to release a version 7 of Cache Router. While the version 7 Drupal Cache functions are a step up and I would even say the concept seems 'cleaner', it doesn't approach Cache Router in practical functionality - instead depending solely on module writers to cache when needed. From garyamort at gmail.com Wed Nov 9 09:58:30 2011 From: garyamort at gmail.com (Gary Mort) Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 09:58:30 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] analysis of php attacks In-Reply-To: References: <20111020194859.GA24905@panix.com> Message-ID: <4EBA9516.4080208@gmail.com> On 10/20/2011 5:10 PM, Chris Snyder wrote: > It would be more interesting to find out that these attacks are > happening in VPSes or private servers, which would indicated a real > exploit, rather than on GoDaddy or Dreamhost or some other shared system. I find there are 3 classifications of attacks to be concerned about, and each is problematic to address. One is known PHP exploits. The problem with known PHP exploits is that there are a number of ways to secure a system against them, but quite often PHP programmers have this idealized view that basically shifts the responsibility for security to the underlying operating system. There are quite a number of exploits based on writing or appending to an existing file where if the file was read only, even if still owned by the web server process and able to chmod it at will from within PHP, those exploits would be stopped cold. Coders are lazy though and they claim "well, if you can WRITE to the file, then you can change the file permissions, so why should I do extra work whenever I want to write a file". The next is based on shared hosts and leaving files writable to other virtual hosts running on the system, so one compromise allows all to be compromised. Instead of taking steps to minimize that, the solution proposed seems to be run your own VPS. Yet the VPS has it's own problem in that most of them don't bother to lock out users who repeatedly try to ftp/sftp to the system - thereby being open to dictionary attacks. The solution is to take security seriously and actually attempt to plug as many holes as possible, never just declare it as someone else's problem and that "all will be better if only you do..." Just MHO -Gary From garyamort at gmail.com Wed Nov 9 10:08:07 2011 From: garyamort at gmail.com (Gary Mort) Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 10:08:07 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Embedded PHP Message-ID: <4EBA9757.5030304@gmail.com> Got a fun little gizmo from Texas Instruments, a Chronos Watch[thanks to http://tideals.com/]... and that has gotten me thinking about playing with circuits again. The problem is, I HATE the idea of learning a bunch of new coding for what in the end is a hobby for fun. Add to that the upcoming release of the Raspberry Pi[http://www.raspberrypi.org/] and the BeagleBone[http://beagleboard.org/bone] and it's possible to work at a relatively high level[both will run linux] on a small system board[around the size of a business card] with between 128MB and 512MB of memory. So, for hacking around, it would be nice to have a low impact PHP environment with just the basics. IE strip out most of the functions and extensions to PHP, strip out the easter eggs, etc and get it as small as possible. Looking around, I find a few stabs at this, generally from the angle of being subtractive - ie patch the code to remove the logo's, run configure with disable-* for everything, etc. Instead, I'm thinking of trying to do it from the other end - ie clone the source and then remove every directory and file not needed to compile, as well as removing more from the configuration script and makefile - with the first goal of being to have a CLI PHP compiled which just has a few functions[ideally, break it down to just some basic variable manipulation and the echo function], then add functions back in on a case by case basis as they are needed. Just curious if anyone here knows of an approach that starts at the minimal end and builds up, or even a subtractive approach that has resulted in a very small, limited functionality PHP interpreter? -Gary From garyamort at gmail.com Wed Nov 9 10:16:33 2011 From: garyamort at gmail.com (Gary Mort) Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 10:16:33 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Embedded Followup Message-ID: <4EBA9951.8060106@gmail.com> Erg, as a followup, in case someone doesn't want to take the time to work through those links: Raspberry Pi: proposed pricing will be 25/35 25$ model: 128MiB memory, 1x USB 2.0, 1xHDMI 35$ model: 256MiB, 2x USB 2.0, Ethernet, 1xHDMI Processor will be the same ARM SoC used in the Roku 2 Beaglebone: proposed pricing is $90 MicroSD, 1xEthernet, 2xUSB, 512MB, Arm SoC from Texas Instruments Note: neither will have wifi or bluetooth onboard...sadly while it is extremely cheap to include it parts wise[under 5$ to stick either on board] - anything which transmits signals over the air needs to go through extra expensive FCC hurdles. The TI Chronos Watch runs on an MSP430 chip and there isn't any way I can see to shoehorn in a PHP stack.. however the Metawatch http://www.metawatch.org/ may be able to...at 200$ I'm not planning on playing with it for a while. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Simply compiling PHP with most of the --without-xxx flags should get you a relatively small binary, no? And very few shared library dependencies. I'm only guessing, but that seems like an easy place to start. Chris Snyder http://chxor.chxo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From appel at alsjeblaft.nl Wed Nov 9 10:58:30 2011 From: appel at alsjeblaft.nl (Ap | Alsjeblaft!) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 10:58:30 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Embedded Followup In-Reply-To: <4EBA9951.8060106@gmail.com> References: <4EBA9951.8060106@gmail.com> Message-ID: How about a plug computer like the Guruplug Server ( http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/p-31-guruplug-server-standard.aspx) or TonidoPlug2 (http://www.tonidoplug.com/)? They're about $120, but have somewhat better specs. I've been thinking about turning one of these into my own ultraportable localhosts for a while now. Ap -- *Alsjeblaft!* webdevelopment Stuff I've built: wende.nu, happycampermusic.com, dazzledkid.com, arthurjussen.nl, schradinova.nl, roomeleven.nl & studiopino.nl appel at alsjeblaft.nl http://www.alsjeblaft.nl/ On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Gary Mort wrote: > Erg, as a followup, in case someone doesn't want to take the time to work > through those links: > > Raspberry Pi: proposed pricing will be 25/35 > 25$ model: 128MiB memory, 1x USB 2.0, 1xHDMI > 35$ model: 256MiB, 2x USB 2.0, Ethernet, 1xHDMI > Processor will be the same ARM SoC used in the Roku 2 > > Beaglebone: proposed pricing is $90 > MicroSD, 1xEthernet, 2xUSB, 512MB, Arm SoC from Texas Instruments > > Note: neither will have wifi or bluetooth onboard...sadly while it is > extremely cheap to include it parts wise[under 5$ to stick either on board] > - anything which transmits signals over the air needs to go through extra > expensive FCC hurdles. > > The TI Chronos Watch runs on an MSP430 chip and there isn't any way I can > see to shoehorn in a PHP stack.. however the Metawatch > http://www.metawatch.org/ may be able to...at 200$ I'm not planning on > playing with it for a while. > > > > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cbaltatescu at greenvision.ro Wed Nov 9 11:01:49 2011 From: cbaltatescu at greenvision.ro (Cristian Baltatescu) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 18:01:49 +0200 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Embedded PHP In-Reply-To: References: <4EBA9757.5030304@gmail.com> Message-ID: I always hated answers to questions like this that proposed a totally different solution, BUT :) Since you would be ok with a very basic/crippled version of php then why stick with it? I'm sure you can handle what you mentioned (basic variable manipulation and echo) in any similar scripting language (perl, python, ruby etc) that could already be embedded on the platform you end up on? The beagleboard guys mentioned nodejs for example. I admit i don't know anything about the one from TI you mentioned. On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 5:32 PM, Chris Snyder wrote: > On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Gary Mort wrote: >> >> >> Instead, I'm thinking of trying to do it from the other end - ie clone >> the source and then remove every directory and file not needed to compile, >> as well as removing more from the configuration script and makefile - with >> the first goal of being to have a CLI PHP compiled which just has a few >> functions[ideally, break it down to just some basic variable manipulation >> and the echo function], then add functions back in on a case by case basis >> as they are needed. >> >> Just curious if anyone here knows of an approach that starts at the >> minimal end and builds up, or even a subtractive approach that has resulted >> in a very small, limited functionality PHP interpreter? >> >> > Given that you're not talking about microscopic amounts of memory (pretty > sure my first PHP production server was 256MB) I'm not sure how hard you > should work on this. > > Simply compiling PHP with most of the --without-xxx flags should get you a > relatively small binary, no? And very few shared library dependencies. > > I'm only guessing, but that seems like an easy place to start. > > Chris Snyder > http://chxor.chxo.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation > -- http://www.cristianbaltatescu.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From garyamort at gmail.com Wed Nov 9 11:08:07 2011 From: garyamort at gmail.com (Gary Mort) Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 11:08:07 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Embedded Followup In-Reply-To: References: <4EBA9951.8060106@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4EBAA567.8040307@gmail.com> On 11/9/2011 10:58 AM, Ap | Alsjeblaft! wrote: > How about a plug computer like the Guruplug Server > (http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/p-31-guruplug-server-standard.aspx) > or TonidoPlug2 (http://www.tonidoplug.com/)? They're about $120, but > have somewhat better specs. I've been thinking about turning one of > these into my own ultraportable localhosts for a while now. $50 is my upper limit on cost, as my eventual goal is to create an open source hardware/software platform for a toy for my 3 year old. I'm considering making an exception on the BeagleBone purely to get a dev platform NOW, then port later to increasingly smaller platforms[ie BeagleBone to RaspberryPi, and then if possible even smaller. After the toy project, my next goal is pushing down to the "web server on a business card" space. http://hackaday.com/2008/09/25/web-server-on-a-business-card-part-2/ With TI's new ARM System on a Chip running under 10$, it SHOULD be possible to get it down to under 20$ for a business card running a web server and PHP... To go below the $10 mark will probably require pushing into an even smaller chip. I don't actually think it will be possible to "run php" at that level, but it may be possible to use a tool like HipHop to convert PHP code to C code that can compile and run on the business card. And if not, well, this is all just for fun anyway. :-) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From garyamort at gmail.com Wed Nov 9 11:14:56 2011 From: garyamort at gmail.com (Gary Mort) Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 11:14:56 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Embedded PHP In-Reply-To: References: <4EBA9757.5030304@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4EBAA700.1040305@gmail.com> On 11/9/2011 11:01 AM, Cristian Baltatescu wrote: > I always hated answers to questions like this that proposed a totally > different solution, BUT :) > Since you would be ok with a very basic/crippled version of php then > why stick with it? I'm sure you can handle what you mentioned (basic > variable manipulation and echo) in any similar scripting language > (perl, python, ruby etc) that could already be embedded on the > platform you end up on? The beagleboard guys mentioned nodejs for > example. I admit i don't know anything about the one from TI you > mentioned. Because I love PHP and want to learn to play with circuits, not yet another scripting language. :-) However, if I do go that route Python actually has a good head start there with PyMite/Python-on-a-chip: http://code.google.com/p/python-on-a-chip/ I'm not sure at this point if the Bone actually runs Node.js, or if it just has some weird interface to it[basically, you can write your app over the web using Cloud 9, and then download it to the board...but does it download node.js or does it compile it to something else?] FYI, almost all the *Board platforms are Texas Instruments[BeagleBoard, PandaBoard, LeopardBoard, HawkBoard] - they all utilize a different "System on a Chip" ARM processor and are put together as reference platforms for hobbyists/engineers. The theory being you develop your prototype on the board - which has all it's pinouts and extra interfaces. Then you figure out just what you need and design your circuit to get rid of all the extraneous crud for mass production[and since your using a TI chip as your processor, TI gets all the big ticket component sales to produce the board...whether or not your product is actually successful. :-)] From rainelemental at gmail.com Wed Nov 9 13:22:33 2011 From: rainelemental at gmail.com (Federico Ulfo) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 13:22:33 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] analysis of php attacks In-Reply-To: <4EBA9516.4080208@gmail.com> References: <20111020194859.GA24905@panix.com> <4EBA9516.4080208@gmail.com> Message-ID: Nice topic! A cool exploit I used for some security test was an hidden upload form used as backdoor to upload PHP files, in combination with this phpinstaller, I was able to compress all files in a single auto-deflating PHP and upload on the website. If you want to check the security of an application you may want to keep an eye also on file_get_contents, curl and "simple" input form. On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Gary Mort wrote: > On 10/20/2011 5:10 PM, Chris Snyder wrote: > >> It would be more interesting to find out that these attacks are happening >> in VPSes or private servers, which would indicated a real exploit, rather >> than on GoDaddy or Dreamhost or some other shared system. >> > > I find there are 3 classifications of attacks to be concerned about, and > each is problematic to address. > > One is known PHP exploits. The problem with known PHP exploits is that > there are a number of ways to secure a system against them, but quite often > PHP programmers have this idealized view that basically shifts the > responsibility for security to the underlying operating system. There are > quite a number of exploits based on writing or appending to an existing > file where if the file was read only, even if still owned by the web server > process and able to chmod it at will from within PHP, those exploits would > be stopped cold. Coders are lazy though and they claim "well, if you can > WRITE to the file, then you can change the file permissions, so why should > I do extra work whenever I want to write a file". > > The next is based on shared hosts and leaving files writable to other > virtual hosts running on the system, so one compromise allows all to be > compromised. Instead of taking steps to minimize that, the solution > proposed seems to be run your own VPS. > > Yet the VPS has it's own problem in that most of them don't bother to lock > out users who repeatedly try to ftp/sftp to the system - thereby being open > to dictionary attacks. > > The solution is to take security seriously and actually attempt to plug as > many holes as possible, never just declare it as someone else's problem and > that "all will be better if only you do..." > > Just MHO > > -Gary > > ______________________________**_________________ > New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/**mailman/listinfo/talk > > http://www.nyphp.org/Show-**Participation > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(Also see this nice character encoding overview if needed: http://htmlpurifier.org/docs/enduser-utf8.html) Warmest regards, Peter Sawczynec Technology Dir. bl?studio 941.893.0396 ps at blu-studio.com www.blu-studio.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From ps at blu-studio.com Thu Nov 10 16:33:28 2011 From: ps at blu-studio.com (Peter Sawczynec) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 16:33:28 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP UTF8 Conversion to ASCII In-Reply-To: References: <005e01cc9fed$4d324f30$e796ed90$@com> Message-ID: <007201cc9ff0$638fd600$2aaf8200$@com> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Chris Snyder Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 4:16 PM To: NYPHP Talk Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP UTF8 Conversion to ASCII On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Peter Sawczynec wrote: Recently came across the issue where utf8 characters were getting outputted into links like so: http://example.com/?cenar [<< where the "a" is a special character], which a browser can turn to links like so: http://example.com/? ?cenar In researching, I have found that browsers do not handle special utf8 characters in urls very well. Seems like this is exactly what urlencode() is for, no? [Peter Sawczynec] My impression was that urlencode translated chars that cannot pass in an URL into entities that can. But those new entities are now gibberish to the human eye. My end reuslt needed is creating user-friendly, clean, attractive urls from utf8 that will render as human-readable characteres in the browser address bar. And that browsers will not choke on the link when a user clicks it in web page. Are you saying that an urlencoded link will be clickable in a web page and render human-readable in the browser address bar too? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chsnyder at gmail.com Thu Nov 10 16:55:04 2011 From: chsnyder at gmail.com (Chris Snyder) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 16:55:04 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP UTF8 Conversion to ASCII In-Reply-To: <007201cc9ff0$638fd600$2aaf8200$@com> References: <005e01cc9fed$4d324f30$e796ed90$@com> <007201cc9ff0$638fd600$2aaf8200$@com> Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Peter Sawczynec wrote: > *From:* talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] > *On Behalf Of *Chris Snyder > *Sent:* Thursday, November 10, 2011 4:16 PM > *To:* NYPHP Talk > *Subject:* Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP UTF8 Conversion to ASCII**** > > ** ** > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Peter Sawczynec > wrote:**** > > Recently came across the issue where utf8 characters were getting > outputted into links like so:**** > > http://example.com/?cenar [<< where the "a" is a special character], > which a browser can turn to links like so: **** > > http://example.com/??cenar **** > > **** > > In researching, I have found that browsers do not handle special utf8 > characters in urls very well.**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Seems like this is exactly what urlencode() is for, no? **** > > ** ** > > *[Peter Sawczynec] * > > * * > > *My impression was that urlencode translated chars that cannot pass in an > URL into entities that can. But those new entities are now gibberish to > the human eye. * > > *My end reuslt needed is creating user-friendly, clean, attractive urls > from utf8 that will render as human-readable characteres in the browser > address bar.* > > *And that browsers will not choke on the link when a user clicks it in > web page. * > > *Are you saying that an urlencoded link will be clickable in a web page > and render human-readable in the browser address bar too?* > > * * > > * * > > * > * > URLs are made up of ASCII characters. You can fake it and hope that the browser converts non-ascii to %-encoded entities correctly, or you can do it explicitly using urlencode() in href attributes. I think actually most browsers will do the encoding on the fly but you never know, especially with mobile. If you're also asking about display of unicode in an HTML page (seeing the ? character) it could be you are trying to display UTF-8 characters in a page whose content type encoding is set to ISO-8859-1 or vice-versa. You can manually change the page encoding using the View menu in Firefox to see if that fixes the issue. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmikola at gmail.com Thu Nov 10 16:55:49 2011 From: jmikola at gmail.com (Jeremy Mikola) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 16:55:49 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP UTF8 Conversion to ASCII In-Reply-To: <007201cc9ff0$638fd600$2aaf8200$@com> References: <005e01cc9fed$4d324f30$e796ed90$@com> <007201cc9ff0$638fd600$2aaf8200$@com> Message-ID: Modern browsers shouldn't really have trouble unicode characters in URL's. I recall seeing a few single-character domain names a while back after unicode became available for registration. Punycodeis typically employed when displaying hostnames - I believe this is most practically a security measure for avoiding fishing scams with domain names that may look similar. But to your point, it sounds like you need transliteration. The PHP iconv extension supports this natively: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3542717/how-to-transliterate-accented-characters-into-plain-ascii-characters On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Peter Sawczynec wrote: > *From:* talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] > *On Behalf Of *Chris Snyder > *Sent:* Thursday, November 10, 2011 4:16 PM > *To:* NYPHP Talk > *Subject:* Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP UTF8 Conversion to ASCII**** > > ** ** > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Peter Sawczynec > wrote:**** > > Recently came across the issue where utf8 characters were getting > outputted into links like so:**** > > http://example.com/?cenar [<< where the "a" is a special character], > which a browser can turn to links like so: **** > > http://example.com/??cenar **** > > **** > > In researching, I have found that browsers do not handle special utf8 > characters in urls very well.**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Seems like this is exactly what urlencode() is for, no? **** > > ** ** > > *[Peter Sawczynec] * > > * * > > *My impression was that urlencode translated chars that cannot pass in an > URL into entities that can. But those new entities are now gibberish to > the human eye. * > > *My end reuslt needed is creating user-friendly, clean, attractive urls > from utf8 that will render as human-readable characteres in the browser > address bar.* > > *And that browsers will not choke on the link when a user clicks it in > web page. * > > *Are you saying that an urlencoded link will be clickable in a web page > and render human-readable in the browser address bar too?* > > * * > > * * > > ** ** > > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation > -- jeremy mikola -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ps at blu-studio.com Thu Nov 10 17:13:03 2011 From: ps at blu-studio.com (Peter Sawczynec) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:13:03 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP UTF8 Conversion to ASCII In-Reply-To: References: <005e01cc9fed$4d324f30$e796ed90$@com> <007201cc9ff0$638fd600$2aaf8200$@com> Message-ID: <008c01cc9ff5$eadc1ec0$c0945c40$@com> As it turns out we have iconv in our php build and we can use it. So I will try that, thank you all. Peter From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Mikola Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 4:56 PM To: NYPHP Talk Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP UTF8 Conversion to ASCII Modern browsers shouldn't really have trouble unicode characters in URL's. I recall seeing a few single-character domain names a while back after unicode became available for registration. Punycode is typically employed when displaying hostnames - I believe this is most practically a security measure for avoiding fishing scams with domain names that may look similar. But to your point, it sounds like you need transliteration. The PHP iconv extension supports this natively: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3542717/how-to-transliterate-accented-characters-into-plain-ascii-characters On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Peter Sawczynec wrote: From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Chris Snyder Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 4:16 PM To: NYPHP Talk Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP UTF8 Conversion to ASCII On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Peter Sawczynec wrote: Recently came across the issue where utf8 characters were getting outputted into links like so: http://example.com/?cenar [<< where the "a" is a special character], which a browser can turn to links like so: http://example.com/? ?cenar In researching, I have found that browsers do not handle special utf8 characters in urls very well. Seems like this is exactly what urlencode() is for, no? [Peter Sawczynec] My impression was that urlencode translated chars that cannot pass in an URL into entities that can. But those new entities are now gibberish to the human eye. My end reuslt needed is creating user-friendly, clean, attractive urls from utf8 that will render as human-readable characteres in the browser address bar. And that browsers will not choke on the link when a user clicks it in web page. Are you saying that an urlencoded link will be clickable in a web page and render human-readable in the browser address bar too? _______________________________________________ New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation -- jeremy mikola -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jim at pagenotes.com Wed Nov 16 11:12:58 2011 From: jim at pagenotes.com (Jim Williams) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:12:58 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] How does one suggest improved variable scoping for PHP? Message-ID: <4EC3E10A.9030905@pagenotes.com> I just ran across a simple problem I couldn't solve, namely to create a function that does the opposite of array_filter, call it array_sanitize. The closest I could come doesn't work for anonymous functions: 6,'b'=>1,'c'=>4,'d'=>9); function isOdd($arg) { return $arg % 2 == 1; } print_r (array_sanitize($a, 'isOdd')); // outputs 'Array ( [a] => 6 [c] => 4 )' ?> If we had variables of intermediate scope, call them "regional" variables, we could do this: /* function array_sanitize($array, $filter) { $negFilter = function($arg) { regional $filter; return !$filter($arg) }; return array_filter($array, $negFilter) } */ So, my question is how and whether to advocate the need for variables of intermediate scope. Specifically, is there a public forum for suggesting improvements to PHP? Jim Williams J. G. Williams Design From dcech at phpwerx.net Wed Nov 16 11:20:24 2011 From: dcech at phpwerx.net (Dan Cech) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:20:24 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] How does one suggest improved variable scoping for PHP? In-Reply-To: <4EC3E10A.9030905@pagenotes.com> References: <4EC3E10A.9030905@pagenotes.com> Message-ID: <4EC3E2C8.7080204@phpwerx.net> On 11/16/2011 11:12 AM, Jim Williams wrote: > I just ran across a simple problem I couldn't solve, namely to create a > function that does the opposite of array_filter, call it array_sanitize. > The closest I could come doesn't work for anonymous functions: Would this do the job? function array_sanitize($array,$filterName) { return array_diff($array,array_filter($array,$filterName)); } Seems to work in my testing: $a = array('a'=>6,'b'=>1,'c'=>4,'d'=>9); $isOdd = create_function('$arg','return $arg % 2 == 1;'); print_r(array_sanitize($a, $isOdd)); Dan From jmikola at gmail.com Wed Nov 16 11:41:53 2011 From: jmikola at gmail.com (Jeremy Mikola) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:41:53 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] How does one suggest improved variable scoping for PHP? In-Reply-To: <4EC3E10A.9030905@pagenotes.com> References: <4EC3E10A.9030905@pagenotes.com> Message-ID: The concept of "regional" variables you're describing already exists via use statements for anonymous functions. The following should be possible: function array_sanitize($array, $filter) { $negFilter = function($arg) use ($filter) { return !$filter($arg); }; return array_filter($array, $negFilter) } See example #3 here: http://php.net/manual/en/functions.anonymous.php On Wednesday, November 16, 2011, Jim Williams wrote: > I just ran across a simple problem I couldn't solve, namely to create a function that does the opposite of array_filter, call it array_sanitize. The closest I could come doesn't work for anonymous functions: > > function array_sanitize($array, $filterName) { > $negFilter = create_function('$arg', 'return !'.$filterName.'($arg);'); > return array_filter($array, $negFilter); > } > //Example: > $a = array('a'=>6,'b'=>1,'c'=>4,'d'=>9); > function isOdd($arg) { return $arg % 2 == 1; } > print_r (array_sanitize($a, 'isOdd')); // outputs 'Array ( [a] => 6 [c] => 4 )' > ?> > > If we had variables of intermediate scope, call them "regional" variables, we could do this: > /* > function array_sanitize($array, $filter) { > $negFilter = function($arg) { > regional $filter; > return !$filter($arg) > }; > return array_filter($array, $negFilter) > } > */ > > So, my question is how and whether to advocate the need for variables of intermediate scope. > Specifically, is there a public forum for suggesting improvements to PHP? > > Jim Williams > J. G. 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For further assistance: New projects and follow up: Michael Sellers Technical Questions Perry Smith Content Updates Setti Razavi Thanks, Dave New Contact Email: dyoun at me.com ---------------- Original follows ---------------- >From talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org Wed Nov 16 12:01:39 2011 Received: from ne1.stackware.com (ne1.stackware.com [64.64.3.54]) by jujube.cc.columbia.edu (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id pAGH0Peq002390 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 12:00:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from ne1.stackware.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ne1.stackware.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96E524E408648; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 12:00:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from lists.nyphp.org (unknown [72.26.195.121]) by ne1.stackware.com (Postfix) with ESMTP; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 12:00:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from ct2.nyphp.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lists.nyphp.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 710531CB0A8A; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 12:00:02 -0500 (EST) From: talk-request at lists.nyphp.org Subject: talk Digest, Vol 61, Issue 10 To: talk at lists.nyphp.org Reply-To: talk at lists.nyphp.org Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 12:00:01 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: talk at lists.nyphp.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NYPHP Talk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org Errors-To: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org X-Spam-Score: -1.5 () CU_LONEURI CU_OK_LISTUNSUB X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 128.59.28.170 Send talk mailing list submissions to talk at lists.nyphp.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to talk-request at lists.nyphp.org You can reach the person managing the list at talk-owner at lists.nyphp.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of talk digest..." Today's Topics: 1. How does one suggest improved variable scoping for PHP? (Jim Williams) 2. Re: How does one suggest improved variable scoping for PHP? (Dan Cech) 3. Re: How does one suggest improved variable scoping for PHP? (Jeremy Mikola) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:12:58 -0500 From: Jim Williams To: talk at lists.nyphp.org Subject: [nycphp-talk] How does one suggest improved variable scoping for PHP? Message-ID: <4EC3E10A.9030905 at pagenotes.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I just ran across a simple problem I couldn't solve, namely to create a function that does the opposite of array_filter, call it array_sanitize. The closest I could come doesn't work for anonymous functions: 6,'b'=>1,'c'=>4,'d'=>9); function isOdd($arg) { return $arg % 2 == 1; } print_r (array_sanitize($a, 'isOdd')); // outputs 'Array ( [a] => 6 ---------------- Remainder omitted here ---------------- From jhy2104 at columbia.edu Thu Nov 17 12:00:16 2011 From: jhy2104 at columbia.edu (jhy2104 at columbia.edu) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:00:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [nycphp-talk] talk Digest, Vol 61, Issue 11 Message-ID: <201111171700.pAHH0GRR007997@kumquat.cc.columbia.edu> Hello: I have accepted a position outside of Columbia University, and no longer with CUMC Web Services. For further assistance: New projects and follow up: Michael Sellers Technical Questions Perry Smith Content Updates Setti Razavi Thanks, Dave New Contact Email: dyoun at me.com ---------------- Original follows ---------------- >From talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org Thu Nov 17 12:00:16 2011 Received: from ne1.stackware.com (ne1.stackware.com [64.64.3.54]) by kumquat.cc.columbia.edu (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id pAHH09A7007951 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:00:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from ne1.stackware.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ne1.stackware.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BE564E408410; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:00:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from lists.nyphp.org (unknown [72.26.195.121]) by ne1.stackware.com (Postfix) with ESMTP; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:00:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from ct2.nyphp.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lists.nyphp.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A120D1CB2817; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:00:02 -0500 (EST) From: talk-request at lists.nyphp.org Subject: talk Digest, Vol 61, Issue 11 To: talk at lists.nyphp.org Reply-To: talk at lists.nyphp.org Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:00:01 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: talk at lists.nyphp.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NYPHP Talk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org Errors-To: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org X-Spam-Score: 0 () CU_AOL_PLAIN CU_LONEURI CU_OK_LISTUNSUB CU_TAGGED_LINK X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 128.59.28.169 Send talk mailing list submissions to talk at lists.nyphp.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to talk-request at lists.nyphp.org You can reach the person managing the list at talk-owner at lists.nyphp.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of talk digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: talk Digest, Vol 61, Issue 10 (jhy2104 at columbia.edu) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 12:01:41 -0500 (EST) From: jhy2104 at columbia.edu To: talk at lists.nyphp.org Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] talk Digest, Vol 61, Issue 10 Message-ID: <201111161701.pAGH1fcf002469 at jujube.cc.columbia.edu> Hello: I have accepted a position outside of Columbia University, and no longer with CUMC Web Services. For further assistance: New projects and follow up: Michael Sellers Technical Questions Perry Smith Content Updates Setti Razavi Thanks, Dave New Contact Email: dyoun at me.com ---------------- Remainder omitted here ---------------- From jmikola at gmail.com Thu Nov 17 12:20:43 2011 From: jmikola at gmail.com (Jeremy Mikola) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:20:43 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] talk Digest, Vol 61, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: <201111171700.pAHH0GRR007997@kumquat.cc.columbia.edu> References: <201111171700.pAHH0GRR007997@kumquat.cc.columbia.edu> Message-ID: Dave, Please update your subscription settings for nyphp-talk. You're auto-responder is bouncing daily digest emails back to the mailing list. Alternatively, perhaps one of the list admins can simply unsubscribe the old address? On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:00 PM, wrote: > > Hello: > > I have accepted a position outside of Columbia University, and no > longer with CUMC Web Services. 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For further assistance: > > New projects and follow up: > Michael Sellers > > Technical Questions > Perry Smith > > Content Updates > Setti Razavi > > Thanks, > Dave > New Contact Email: dyoun at me.com > > > > > > ---------------- Remainder omitted here ---------------- > > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation > -- jeremy mikola -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronald.bradford at gmail.com Thu Nov 17 14:43:49 2011 From: ronald.bradford at gmail.com (Ronald Bradford) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 14:43:49 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Current PHP developer rates Message-ID: Hi All, Could people give me a sense of the per hour rate for an experienced developer these days in New York. Thanks Ronald -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rmarscher at beaffinitive.com Thu Nov 17 14:51:37 2011 From: rmarscher at beaffinitive.com (Rob Marscher) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 14:51:37 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Current PHP developer rates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Nov 17, 2011, at 2:43 PM, Ronald Bradford wrote: > Could people give me a sense of the per hour rate for an experienced developer these days in New York. About $80/hr is the rate I've seen (and paid) to well experienced developers. We had a pretty lengthy conversation here about it a few months ago which made it seem like you might be able to find experienced developers charging as low as $40-50/hr. However, I usually like to work with flat rates -- given the project spec and scope, come up with a rate for the whole project. Because really? the amount of work that can be done in an hour depends on who's doing it. I.e. I could charge $40/hr but take 3 times as long as the person charging $80/hr. -Rob From chsnyder at gmail.com Thu Nov 17 15:22:45 2011 From: chsnyder at gmail.com (Chris Snyder) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:22:45 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Current PHP developer rates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Rob Marscher wrote: > I.e. I could charge $40/hr but take 3 times as long as the person > charging $80/hr. > > And more importantly, you'd have an incentive to do so. A flat rate is a win for both sides. The programmer can do what needs to be done without obsessively tracking time, and the employer has a known cost that can be submitted to management and accounting. A talented programmer might be able to do a $10,000 job in a few hours. So be it. You'd actually rather pay that person $2,000 per hour and have it done tomorrow than hire some hack at $40/hr and have it take six weeks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From matt at atopia.net Thu Nov 17 15:26:36 2011 From: matt at atopia.net (Matt Juszczak) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:26:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [nycphp-talk] Current PHP developer rates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > I could charge $40/hr but take 3 times as long as the person charging > $80/hr. And I've seen this often. It's very true. From tedd.sperling at gmail.com Thu Nov 17 15:28:03 2011 From: tedd.sperling at gmail.com (Tedd Sperling) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:28:03 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Current PHP developer rates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Nov 17, 2011, at 2:51 PM, Rob Marscher wrote: > On Nov 17, 2011, at 2:43 PM, Ronald Bradford wrote: >> Could people give me a sense of the per hour rate for an experienced developer these days in New York. > > About $80/hr is the rate I've seen (and paid) to well experienced developers. We had a pretty lengthy conversation here about it a few months ago which made it seem like you might be able to find experienced developers charging as low as $40-50/hr. > > However, I usually like to work with flat rates -- given the project spec and scope, come up with a rate for the whole project. Because really? the amount of work that can be done in an hour depends on who's doing it. I.e. I could charge $40/hr but take 3 times as long as the person charging $80/hr. > > -Rob I don't live in New York, but I have clients there. I charge $100 per hour, but I usually do more work than I bill. Besides, I usually work on a pre-project basis. A decade ago, I was approached by a potential client who asked me for my rate and I replied $50 per hour. To which he said "I never paid more than $25 per hour -- would you consider working for that?" I answered "Sure, but it's going to take me twice as long to get anything done." He moved on and a year later; we repeated the conversation; and the outcome. He's probably still looking for someone willing to work for half-wages, but isn't smart enough to realize that you usually get what you pay for, but never more. Your rate is relative -- charge as you feel you are worth. Cheers, tedd _____________________ tedd at sperling.com http://sperling.com From jhy2104 at columbia.edu Thu Nov 17 15:28:28 2011 From: jhy2104 at columbia.edu (jhy2104 at columbia.edu) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:28:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: [nycphp-talk] talk Digest, Vol 61, Issue 12 Message-ID: <201111172028.pAHKSSdS024333@longan.cc.columbia.edu> Hello: I have accepted a position outside of Columbia University, and no longer with CUMC Web Services. For further assistance: New projects and follow up: Michael Sellers Technical Questions Perry Smith Content Updates Setti Razavi Thanks, Dave New Contact Email: dyoun at me.com ---------------- Original follows ---------------- >From talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org Thu Nov 17 15:28:28 2011 Received: from ne1.stackware.com (ne1.stackware.com [64.64.3.54]) by longan.cc.columbia.edu (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id pAHKSKNY024288 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:28:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from ne1.stackware.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ne1.stackware.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 298444E40850A; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:28:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from lists.nyphp.org (unknown [72.26.195.121]) by ne1.stackware.com (Postfix) with ESMTP; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:28:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from ct2.nyphp.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lists.nyphp.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C56BC1CB084C; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:28:19 -0500 (EST) From: talk-request at lists.nyphp.org Subject: talk Digest, Vol 61, Issue 12 To: talk at lists.nyphp.org Reply-To: talk at lists.nyphp.org Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:28:18 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: talk at lists.nyphp.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NYPHP Talk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org Errors-To: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org X-Spam-Score: 0 () CU_AOL_PLAIN CU_LONEURI CU_OK_LISTUNSUB CU_TAGGED_LINK X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 128.59.28.165 Send talk mailing list submissions to talk at lists.nyphp.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to talk-request at lists.nyphp.org You can reach the person managing the list at talk-owner at lists.nyphp.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of talk digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: talk Digest, Vol 61, Issue 11 (jhy2104 at columbia.edu) 2. Re: talk Digest, Vol 61, Issue 11 (Jeremy Mikola) 3. Current PHP developer rates (Ronald Bradford) 4. Re: Current PHP developer rates (Rob Marscher) 5. Re: Current PHP developer rates (Chris Snyder) 6. Re: Current PHP developer rates (Matt Juszczak) 7. Re: Current PHP developer rates (Tedd Sperling) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:00:16 -0500 (EST) From: jhy2104 at columbia.edu To: talk at lists.nyphp.org Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] talk Digest, Vol 61, Issue 11 Message-ID: <201111171700.pAHH0GRR007997 at kumquat.cc.columbia.edu> Hello: I have accepted a position outside of Columbia University, and no longer with CUMC Web Services. For further assistance: New projects and follow up: Michael Sellers Technical Questions Perry Smith Content Updates Setti Razavi ---------------- Remainder omitted here ---------------- From codebowl at gmail.com Thu Nov 17 15:28:25 2011 From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:28:25 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Current PHP developer rates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <241A85C8-5A9E-4BF9-885A-7507E99377B6@gmail.com> Let's put this into perspective. I have 13 years experience working with PHP and MySQL and currently I am contracting at a rate of $60 per hour in the Boston area. I have only charged $80/hr once and that was for a project I really didn't have the time or want to do it. However it was done as they were willing to pay that rate :) Thanks, Joseph Crawford On Nov 17, 2011, at 3:26 PM, Matt Juszczak wrote: >> I could charge $40/hr but take 3 times as long as the person charging $80/hr. > > And I've seen this often. It's very true. > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation From ka at kacomputerconsulting.com Thu Nov 17 15:42:20 2011 From: ka at kacomputerconsulting.com (Kristina Anderson) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:42:20 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Current PHP developer rates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EC571AC.8030500@kacomputerconsulting.com> I'm going to say anywhere between $45 - $75/hr ... it depends on the length of the job, what's involved, how much money they have... I think between $50-65 an hour is the most common range. Kristina From codebowl at gmail.com Thu Nov 17 15:44:38 2011 From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:44:38 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Current PHP developer rates In-Reply-To: <4EC571AC.8030500@kacomputerconsulting.com> References: <4EC571AC.8030500@kacomputerconsulting.com> Message-ID: <5182BFD6-23F6-4DB4-BF58-57C9DDB77E58@gmail.com> OH BOY remind me not to hire you :) > it depends on the length of the job, what's involved, how much money they have... Why does how much money the client has determine what you are going to charge. Sounds to me like you don't have a solid figure on what you feel you are worth and just try to get as much $$ as you can. On Nov 17, 2011, at 3:42 PM, Kristina Anderson wrote: > I'm going to say anywhere between $45 - $75/hr ... it depends on the length of the job, what's involved, how much money they have... > > I think between $50-65 an hour is the most common range. > > Kristina > > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation From jeanbaptiste.verrey at gmail.com Thu Nov 17 15:49:46 2011 From: jeanbaptiste.verrey at gmail.com (jean-baptiste verrey) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 20:49:46 +0000 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Current PHP developer rates In-Reply-To: <5182BFD6-23F6-4DB4-BF58-57C9DDB77E58@gmail.com> References: <4EC571AC.8030500@kacomputerconsulting.com> <5182BFD6-23F6-4DB4-BF58-57C9DDB77E58@gmail.com> Message-ID: > it depends on the length of the job, what's involved, how much money they have... I agree with the statement, except it's more "how much money they have *to invest*" as any project can be done completely differently depending on the budget. Quality usually as a cost! On 17 November 2011 20:44, Joseph Crawford wrote: > OH BOY remind me not to hire you :) > > > it depends on the length of the job, what's involved, how much money > they have... > > Why does how much money the client has determine what you are going to > charge. Sounds to me > like you don't have a solid figure on what you feel you are worth and just > try to get as much $$ as you can. > > > On Nov 17, 2011, at 3:42 PM, Kristina Anderson wrote: > > > I'm going to say anywhere between $45 - $75/hr ... it depends on the > length of the job, what's involved, how much money they have... > > > > I think between $50-65 an hour is the most common range. > > > > Kristina > > > > _______________________________________________ > > New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List > > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > > > http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation > > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From matt at atopia.net Thu Nov 17 15:50:43 2011 From: matt at atopia.net (Matt Juszczak) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 20:50:43 +0000 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Current PHP developer rates In-Reply-To: <5182BFD6-23F6-4DB4-BF58-57C9DDB77E58@gmail.com> References: <4EC571AC.8030500@kacomputerconsulting.com> <5182BFD6-23F6-4DB4-BF58-57C9DDB77E58@gmail.com> Message-ID: <899303045-1321563043-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1142322556-@b14.c7.bise6.blackberry> In Kristina's defense, I have hired her to work on many projects, and I know for a fact she means she would provide a *discount* on her rate (not an increase) if the company she is working for is tight on funds or is a start-up. Matt -----Original Message----- From: Joseph Crawford Sender: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:44:38 To: NYPHP Talk Reply-To: NYPHP Talk Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Current PHP developer rates OH BOY remind me not to hire you :) > it depends on the length of the job, what's involved, how much money they have... Why does how much money the client has determine what you are going to charge. Sounds to me like you don't have a solid figure on what you feel you are worth and just try to get as much $$ as you can. On Nov 17, 2011, at 3:42 PM, Kristina Anderson wrote: > I'm going to say anywhere between $45 - $75/hr ... it depends on the length of the job, what's involved, how much money they have... > > I think between $50-65 an hour is the most common range. > > Kristina > > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation _______________________________________________ New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation From codebowl at gmail.com Thu Nov 17 15:57:20 2011 From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:57:20 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Current PHP developer rates In-Reply-To: <899303045-1321563043-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1142322556-@b14.c7.bise6.blackberry> References: <4EC571AC.8030500@kacomputerconsulting.com> <5182BFD6-23F6-4DB4-BF58-57C9DDB77E58@gmail.com> <899303045-1321563043-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1142322556-@b14.c7.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <4E6072D0-EC57-4A21-8A72-4CAA6A91A7F1@gmail.com> That makes more sense I think it was just the wording that threw me for a loop lol On Nov 17, 2011, at 3:50 PM, Matt Juszczak wrote: > In Kristina's defense, I have hired her to work on many projects, and I know for a fact she means she would provide a *discount* on her rate (not an increase) if the company she is working for is tight on funds or is a start-up. > > Matt > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joseph Crawford > Sender: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org > Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:44:38 > To: NYPHP Talk > Reply-To: NYPHP Talk > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Current PHP developer rates > > OH BOY remind me not to hire you :) > >> it depends on the length of the job, what's involved, how much money they have... > > Why does how much money the client has determine what you are going to charge. Sounds to me > like you don't have a solid figure on what you feel you are worth and just try to get as much $$ as you can. > > > On Nov 17, 2011, at 3:42 PM, Kristina Anderson wrote: > >> I'm going to say anywhere between $45 - $75/hr ... it depends on the length of the job, what's involved, how much money they have... >> >> I think between $50-65 an hour is the most common range. >> >> Kristina >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List >> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >> >> http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation > > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation From ka at kacomputerconsulting.com Thu Nov 17 16:08:02 2011 From: ka at kacomputerconsulting.com (Kristina Anderson) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 16:08:02 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Current PHP developer rates In-Reply-To: <4E6072D0-EC57-4A21-8A72-4CAA6A91A7F1@gmail.com> References: <4EC571AC.8030500@kacomputerconsulting.com> <5182BFD6-23F6-4DB4-BF58-57C9DDB77E58@gmail.com> <899303045-1321563043-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1142322556-@b14.c7.bise6.blackberry> <4E6072D0-EC57-4A21-8A72-4CAA6A91A7F1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4EC577B2.7030804@kacomputerconsulting.com> THANK YOU and yes, for the record that *is* what I meant. :) Kristina On 11/17/2011 3:57 PM, Joseph Crawford wrote: > That makes more sense I think it was just the wording that threw me for a loop lol > > > On Nov 17, 2011, at 3:50 PM, Matt Juszczak wrote: > >> In Kristina's defense, I have hired her to work on many projects, and I know for a fact she means she would provide a *discount* on her rate (not an increase) if the company she is working for is tight on funds or is a start-up. >> >> Matt >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joseph Crawford >> Sender: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org >> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:44:38 >> To: NYPHP Talk >> Reply-To: NYPHP Talk >> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Current PHP developer rates >> >> OH BOY remind me not to hire you :) >> >>> it depends on the length of the job, what's involved, how much money they have... >> Why does how much money the client has determine what you are going to charge. Sounds to me >> like you don't have a solid figure on what you feel you are worth and just try to get as much $$ as you can. >> >> >> On Nov 17, 2011, at 3:42 PM, Kristina Anderson wrote: >> >>> I'm going to say anywhere between $45 - $75/hr ... it depends on the length of the job, what's involved, how much money they have... >>> >>> I think between $50-65 an hour is the most common range. >>> >>> Kristina >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List >>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >>> >>> http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation >> _______________________________________________ >> New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List >> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >> >> http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation >> _______________________________________________ >> New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List >> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >> >> http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation > From jhy2104 at columbia.edu Thu Nov 17 16:08:51 2011 From: jhy2104 at columbia.edu (jhy2104 at columbia.edu) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 16:08:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: [nycphp-talk] talk Digest, Vol 61, Issue 13 Message-ID: <201111172108.pAHL8pdr020122@yuzu.cc.columbia.edu> Hello: I have accepted a position outside of Columbia University, and no longer with CUMC Web Services. For further assistance: New projects and follow up: Michael Sellers Technical Questions Perry Smith Content Updates Setti Razavi Thanks, Dave New Contact Email: dyoun at me.com ---------------- Original follows ---------------- >From talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org Thu Nov 17 16:08:49 2011 Received: from ne1.stackware.com (ne1.stackware.com [64.64.3.54]) by yuzu.cc.columbia.edu (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id pAHL8Zs0020003 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 16:08:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from ne1.stackware.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ne1.stackware.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 001FA4E4084EA; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 16:08:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from lists.nyphp.org (unknown [72.26.195.121]) by ne1.stackware.com (Postfix) with ESMTP; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 16:08:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from ct2.nyphp.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lists.nyphp.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2F7A1CB087A; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 16:08:34 -0500 (EST) From: talk-request at lists.nyphp.org Subject: talk Digest, Vol 61, Issue 13 To: talk at lists.nyphp.org Reply-To: talk at lists.nyphp.org Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 16:08:32 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: talk at lists.nyphp.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NYPHP Talk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org Errors-To: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org X-Spam-Score: 0 () CU_AOL_PLAIN CU_LONEURI CU_OK_LISTUNSUB CU_TAGGED_LINK X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 128.59.28.167 Send talk mailing list submissions to talk at lists.nyphp.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to talk-request at lists.nyphp.org You can reach the person managing the list at talk-owner at lists.nyphp.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of talk digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: talk Digest, Vol 61, Issue 12 (jhy2104 at columbia.edu) 2. Re: Current PHP developer rates (Joseph Crawford) 3. Re: Current PHP developer rates (Kristina Anderson) 4. Re: Current PHP developer rates (Joseph Crawford) 5. Re: Current PHP developer rates (jean-baptiste verrey) 6. Re: Current PHP developer rates (Matt Juszczak) 7. Re: Current PHP developer rates (Joseph Crawford) 8. Re: Current PHP developer rates (Kristina Anderson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:28:28 -0500 (EST) From: jhy2104 at columbia.edu To: talk at lists.nyphp.org Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] talk Digest, Vol 61, Issue 12 Message-ID: <201111172028.pAHKSSdS024333 at longan.cc.columbia.edu> Hello: I have accepted a position outside of Columbia University, and no longer with CUMC Web Services. For further assistance: New projects and follow up: Michael Sellers Technical Questions Perry Smith Content Updates Setti Razavi ---------------- Remainder omitted here ---------------- From rainelemental at gmail.com Thu Nov 17 16:37:26 2011 From: rainelemental at gmail.com (Federico Ulfo) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 16:37:26 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Current PHP developer rates In-Reply-To: <4EC577B2.7030804@kacomputerconsulting.com> References: <4EC571AC.8030500@kacomputerconsulting.com> <5182BFD6-23F6-4DB4-BF58-57C9DDB77E58@gmail.com> <899303045-1321563043-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1142322556-@b14.c7.bise6.blackberry> <4E6072D0-EC57-4A21-8A72-4CAA6A91A7F1@gmail.com> <4EC577B2.7030804@kacomputerconsulting.com> Message-ID: Consider the type of contract and the benefits as well. In a full time contract you have vacation and day off if you're sick, also you have a stable income. At the end of 3 month contract you will have to search for new position. But more important, get the job you like the most! On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Kristina Anderson < ka at kacomputerconsulting.com> wrote: > THANK YOU and yes, for the record that *is* what I meant. :) > > Kristina > > > On 11/17/2011 3:57 PM, Joseph Crawford wrote: > >> That makes more sense I think it was just the wording that threw me for a >> loop lol >> >> >> On Nov 17, 2011, at 3:50 PM, Matt Juszczak wrote: >> >> In Kristina's defense, I have hired her to work on many projects, and I >>> know for a fact she means she would provide a *discount* on her rate (not >>> an increase) if the company she is working for is tight on funds or is a >>> start-up. >>> >>> Matt >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Joseph Crawford >>> Sender: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org >>> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:44:38 >>> To: NYPHP Talk >>> Reply-To: NYPHP Talk >>> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Current PHP developer rates >>> >>> OH BOY remind me not to hire you :) >>> >>> it depends on the length of the job, what's involved, how much money >>>> they have... >>>> >>> Why does how much money the client has determine what you are going to >>> charge. Sounds to me >>> like you don't have a solid figure on what you feel you are worth and >>> just try to get as much $$ as you can. >>> >>> >>> On Nov 17, 2011, at 3:42 PM, Kristina Anderson wrote: >>> >>> I'm going to say anywhere between $45 - $75/hr ... it depends on the >>>> length of the job, what's involved, how much money they have... >>>> >>>> I think between $50-65 an hour is the most common range. >>>> >>>> Kristina >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List >>>> http://lists.nyphp.org/**mailman/listinfo/talk >>>> >>>> http://www.nyphp.org/Show-**Participation >>>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List >>> http://lists.nyphp.org/**mailman/listinfo/talk >>> >>> http://www.nyphp.org/Show-**Participation >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List >>> http://lists.nyphp.org/**mailman/listinfo/talk >>> >>> http://www.nyphp.org/Show-**Participation >>> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List >> http://lists.nyphp.org/**mailman/listinfo/talk >> >> http://www.nyphp.org/Show-**Participation >> >> > > ______________________________**_________________ > New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/**mailman/listinfo/talk > > http://www.nyphp.org/Show-**Participation > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From codebowl at gmail.com Thu Nov 17 16:43:32 2011 From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 16:43:32 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Current PHP developer rates In-Reply-To: References: <4EC571AC.8030500@kacomputerconsulting.com> <5182BFD6-23F6-4DB4-BF58-57C9DDB77E58@gmail.com> <899303045-1321563043-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1142322556-@b14.c7.bise6.blackberry> <4E6072D0-EC57-4A21-8A72-4CAA6A91A7F1@gmail.com> <4EC577B2.7030804@kacomputerconsulting.com> Message-ID: <354669D4-3C29-4612-91BF-CF7472347DFB@gmail.com> I'm in a full-time contract and I don't get sick or vacation days lol If I don't work I simply don't get paid. Unless I pay myself for the day ahah On Nov 17, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Federico Ulfo wrote: > Consider the type of contract and the benefits as well. > > In a full time contract you have vacation and day off if you're sick, also you have a stable income. > At the end of 3 month contract you will have to search for new position. > > But more important, get the job you like the most! > > On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Kristina Anderson wrote: > THANK YOU and yes, for the record that *is* what I meant. :) > > Kristina > > > On 11/17/2011 3:57 PM, Joseph Crawford wrote: > That makes more sense I think it was just the wording that threw me for a loop lol > > > On Nov 17, 2011, at 3:50 PM, Matt Juszczak wrote: > > In Kristina's defense, I have hired her to work on many projects, and I know for a fact she means she would provide a *discount* on her rate (not an increase) if the company she is working for is tight on funds or is a start-up. > > Matt > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joseph Crawford > Sender: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org > Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:44:38 > To: NYPHP Talk > Reply-To: NYPHP Talk > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Current PHP developer rates > > OH BOY remind me not to hire you :) > > it depends on the length of the job, what's involved, how much money they have... > Why does how much money the client has determine what you are going to charge. Sounds to me > like you don't have a solid figure on what you feel you are worth and just try to get as much $$ as you can. > > > On Nov 17, 2011, at 3:42 PM, Kristina Anderson wrote: > > I'm going to say anywhere between $45 - $75/hr ... it depends on the length of the job, what's involved, how much money they have... > > I think between $50-65 an hour is the most common range. > > Kristina > > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation > > > > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation > > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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. I've done some searching and haven't found any helpful info so I'm appealing to you all. Has anyone seen behavior like this, or have a recommendation for what I can do to diagnose or fix the problem? I have a number of rows in the table. Some of the them come through clean on the email, and two come through with this mystery ! and line break. I've had the emails go to different accounts and viewed via client or browser, and that doesn't make a difference. Thoughts? Suggestions? Thanks, -Aaron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhy2104 at columbia.edu Thu Nov 17 18:38:13 2011 From: jhy2104 at columbia.edu (jhy2104 at columbia.edu) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 18:38:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [nycphp-talk] talk Digest, Vol 61, Issue 14 Message-ID: <201111172338.pAHNcD9P003763@sapodilla.cc.columbia.edu> Hello: I have accepted a position outside of Columbia University, and no longer with CUMC Web Services. For further assistance: New projects and follow up: Michael Sellers Technical Questions Perry Smith Content Updates Setti Razavi Thanks, Dave New Contact Email: dyoun at me.com ---------------- Original follows ---------------- >From talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org Thu Nov 17 18:38:13 2011 Received: from ne1.stackware.com (ne1.stackware.com [64.64.3.54]) by sapodilla.cc.columbia.edu (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id pAHNc78q003686 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 18:38:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from ne1.stackware.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ne1.stackware.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 395E54E4085FC; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 18:38:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from lists.nyphp.org (unknown [72.26.195.121]) by ne1.stackware.com (Postfix) with ESMTP; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 18:38:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from ct2.nyphp.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lists.nyphp.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20C231CB07A4; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 18:38:07 -0500 (EST) From: talk-request at lists.nyphp.org Subject: talk Digest, Vol 61, Issue 14 To: talk at lists.nyphp.org Reply-To: talk at lists.nyphp.org Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 18:38:04 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: talk at lists.nyphp.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NYPHP Talk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org Errors-To: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org X-Spam-Score: 0 () CU_AOL_PLAIN CU_LONEURI CU_OK_LISTUNSUB CU_TAGGED_LINK X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 128.59.28.172 Send talk mailing list submissions to talk at lists.nyphp.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to talk-request at lists.nyphp.org You can reach the person managing the list at talk-owner at lists.nyphp.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of talk digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: talk Digest, Vol 61, Issue 13 (jhy2104 at columbia.edu) 2. Re: Current PHP developer rates (Federico Ulfo) 3. Re: Current PHP developer rates (Joseph Crawford) 4. Strange ! and line break coming through via msyql/php/mail() (Aaron Fischer) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 16:08:51 -0500 (EST) From: jhy2104 at columbia.edu To: talk at lists.nyphp.org Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] talk Digest, Vol 61, Issue 13 Message-ID: <201111172108.pAHL8pdr020122 at yuzu.cc.columbia.edu> Hello: I have accepted a position outside of Columbia University, and no longer with CUMC Web Services. For further assistance: New projects and follow up: Michael Sellers Technical Questions Perry Smith Content Updates Setti Razavi Thanks, Dave ---------------- Remainder omitted here ---------------- From ka at kacomputerconsulting.com Thu Nov 17 22:05:24 2011 From: ka at kacomputerconsulting.com (Kristina Anderson) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 22:05:24 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Current PHP developer rates In-Reply-To: <354669D4-3C29-4612-91BF-CF7472347DFB@gmail.com> References: <4EC571AC.8030500@kacomputerconsulting.com> <5182BFD6-23F6-4DB4-BF58-57C9DDB77E58@gmail.com> <899303045-1321563043-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1142322556-@b14.c7.bise6.blackberry> <4E6072D0-EC57-4A21-8A72-4CAA6A91A7F1@gmail.com> <4EC577B2.7030804@kacomputerconsulting.com> <354669D4-3C29-4612-91BF-CF7472347DFB@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4EC5CB74.5090401@kacomputerconsulting.com> A really good programmer never has to search for a new position. There are folks lined up around the proverbial block begging. What we need to search for is a place to hide to get a week or two off here and there. Kristina On 11/17/2011 4:43 PM, Joseph Crawford wrote: > I'm in a full-time contract and I don't get sick or vacation days lol > If I don't work I simply don't get paid. Unless I pay myself for the > day ahah > > > On Nov 17, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Federico Ulfo wrote: > >> Consider the type of contract and the benefits as well. >> >> In a full time contract you have vacation and day off if you're sick, >> also you have a stable income. >> At the end of 3 month contract you will have to search for new position. >> >> But more important, get the job you like the most! >> >> On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Kristina Anderson >> > wrote: >> >> THANK YOU and yes, for the record that *is* what I meant. :) >> >> Kristina >> >> >> On 11/17/2011 3:57 PM, Joseph Crawford wrote: >> >> That makes more sense I think it was just the wording that >> threw me for a loop lol >> >> >> On Nov 17, 2011, at 3:50 PM, Matt Juszczak wrote: >> >> In Kristina's defense, I have hired her to work on many >> projects, and I know for a fact she means she would >> provide a *discount* on her rate (not an increase) if the >> company she is working for is tight on funds or is a >> start-up. >> >> Matt >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joseph Crawford> > >> Sender: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org >> >> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:44:38 >> To: NYPHP Talk> > >> Reply-To: NYPHP Talk> > >> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Current PHP developer rates >> >> OH BOY remind me not to hire you :) >> >> it depends on the length of the job, what's involved, >> how much money they have... >> >> Why does how much money the client has determine what you >> are going to charge. Sounds to me >> like you don't have a solid figure on what you feel you >> are worth and just try to get as much $$ as you can. >> >> >> On Nov 17, 2011, at 3:42 PM, Kristina Anderson wrote: >> >> I'm going to say anywhere between $45 - $75/hr ... it >> depends on the length of the job, what's involved, >> how much money they have... >> >> I think between $50-65 an hour is the most common range. >> >> Kristina >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List >> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >> >> http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List >> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >> >> http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation >> _______________________________________________ >> New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List >> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >> >> http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List >> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >> >> http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List >> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >> >> http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List >> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >> >> http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation > > > > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Today's Topics: 1. Re: talk Digest, Vol 61, Issue 14 (jhy2104 at columbia.edu) 2. Re: Current PHP developer rates (Kristina Anderson) 3. Re: Strange ! and line break coming through via msyql/php/mail() (Sasa Rakic - Gmail) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 18:38:13 -0500 (EST) From: jhy2104 at columbia.edu To: talk at lists.nyphp.org Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] talk Digest, Vol 61, Issue 14 Message-ID: <201111172338.pAHNcD9P003763 at sapodilla.cc.columbia.edu> Hello: I have accepted a position outside of Columbia University, and no longer with CUMC Web Services. For further assistance: New projects and follow up: Michael Sellers Technical Questions Perry Smith Content Updates Setti Razavi Thanks, Dave New Contact Email: dyoun at me.com ---------------- Remainder omitted here ---------------- From jbaltz at altzman.com Thu Nov 17 23:08:44 2011 From: jbaltz at altzman.com (Jerry B. Altzman) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 23:08:44 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Current PHP developer rates In-Reply-To: <5182BFD6-23F6-4DB4-BF58-57C9DDB77E58@gmail.com> References: <4EC571AC.8030500@kacomputerconsulting.com> <5182BFD6-23F6-4DB4-BF58-57C9DDB77E58@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4EC5DA4C.4010000@altzman.com> on 11/17/2011 3:44 PM Joseph Crawford said the following: > OH BOY remind me not to hire you :) Your loss in that case. >> it depends on the length of the job, what's involved, how much money they have... > Why does how much money the client has determine what you are going to charge. Sounds to me > like you don't have a solid figure on what you feel you are worth and just try to get as much $$ as you can. Actually, it is not uncommon to charge different *industries* different rates; nonprofits typically get lower per-hour rates. There is a perception about cost and value going on. And...what precisely is wrong with trying to get as much $$ as you can? I like hacking, but I also like paying the mortgage on time, funding my other hobbies, paying for the kids' schools... //jbaltz -- jerry b. altzman | jbaltz at altzman.com | www.jbaltz.com | twitter:@lorvax thank you for contributing to the heat death of the universe. From ronald.bradford at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 09:40:33 2011 From: ronald.bradford at gmail.com (Ronald Bradford) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 09:40:33 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Current PHP developer rates In-Reply-To: <4EC5DA4C.4010000@altzman.com> References: <4EC571AC.8030500@kacomputerconsulting.com> <5182BFD6-23F6-4DB4-BF58-57C9DDB77E58@gmail.com> <4EC5DA4C.4010000@altzman.com> Message-ID: Thanks to everybody that responded. On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 11:08 PM, Jerry B. Altzman wrote: > on 11/17/2011 3:44 PM Joseph Crawford said the following: > > OH BOY remind me not to hire you :) >> > > Your loss in that case. > > > it depends on the length of the job, what's involved, how much money they >>> have... >>> >> Why does how much money the client has determine what you are going to >> charge. Sounds to me >> like you don't have a solid figure on what you feel you are worth and >> just try to get as much $$ as you can. >> > > Actually, it is not uncommon to charge different *industries* different > rates; nonprofits typically get lower per-hour rates. There is a perception > about cost and value going on. > > And...what precisely is wrong with trying to get as much $$ as you can? I > like hacking, but I also like paying the mortgage on time, funding my other > hobbies, paying for the kids' schools... > > //jbaltz > -- > jerry b. altzman | jbaltz at altzman.com | www.jbaltz.com | twitter:@lorvax > thank you for contributing to the heat death of the universe. > > ______________________________**_________________ > New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/**mailman/listinfo/talk > > http://www.nyphp.org/Show-**Participation > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rukbatsramblings at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 10:58:24 2011 From: rukbatsramblings at gmail.com (Rukbat) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 10:58:24 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Strange ! and line break coming through via msyql/php/mail() In-Reply-To: <4EC55482020000A400017059@gwsmtp1.smith.edu> References: <4EC55482020000A400017059@gwsmtp1.smith.edu> Message-ID: <4EC680A0.8030305@gmail.com> Are you using a debugger (you should be). Echo the email body into your debugger (not with echo statements, with whatever your debugger uses). If that doesn't give you a clue, write a little character_to_hex function and use that to sent the text to the debugger. It's getting into the email somewhere (I assume you've tried different email clients to eliminate a buggy client as the problem), so debugging the body text should show you the bad text. Then debug further back, one step at a time, and you should be able to find the line before the text gets corrupted and the line after. That's where the corruption is occurring. (If you've already done all that and still haven't found it, ignore me.) > Greetings, > I have a script that gets some text out of a MySQL table and sends it > in the message body via the mail function. Some of the emails are > coming through with an exclamation point followed by the text being > moved to a new line. > I'm not sure where this ! and \n are coming from. When I view the > text in mysql, it's clean, there is no ! or \n. If I output to the > browser with nl2br(), there is no ! or
. > I've done some searching and haven't found any helpful info so I'm > appealing to you all. Has anyone seen behavior like this, or have a > recommendation for what I can do to diagnose or fix the problem? > I have a number of rows in the table. Some of the them come through > clean on the email, and two come through with this mystery ! and line > break. I've had the emails go to different accounts and viewed via > client or browser, and that doesn't make a difference. > Thoughts? Suggestions? > Thanks, > -Aaron > > > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For further assistance: New projects and follow up: Michael Sellers Technical Questions Perry Smith Content Updates Setti Razavi Thanks, Dave New Contact Email: dyoun at me.com ---------------- Original follows ---------------- >From talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org Fri Nov 18 12:00:21 2011 Received: from ne1.stackware.com (ne1.stackware.com [64.64.3.54]) by gorgonzola.cc.columbia.edu (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id pAIH0EaQ013971 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:00:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from ne1.stackware.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ne1.stackware.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8998C4E408546; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:00:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from lists.nyphp.org (unknown [72.26.195.121]) by ne1.stackware.com (Postfix) with ESMTP; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:00:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ct2.nyphp.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lists.nyphp.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BE851CB2952; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:00:03 -0500 (EST) From: talk-request at lists.nyphp.org Subject: talk Digest, Vol 61, Issue 16 To: talk at lists.nyphp.org Reply-To: talk at lists.nyphp.org Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:00:01 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: talk at lists.nyphp.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NYPHP Talk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org Errors-To: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org X-Spam-Score: -1 () CU_LONEURI CU_OK_LISTUNSUB CU_TAGGED_LINK X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 128.59.28.174 Send talk mailing list submissions to talk at lists.nyphp.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to talk-request at lists.nyphp.org You can reach the person managing the list at talk-owner at lists.nyphp.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of talk digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: talk Digest, Vol 61, Issue 15 (jhy2104 at columbia.edu) 2. Re: Current PHP developer rates (Jerry B. Altzman) 3. Re: Current PHP developer rates (Ronald Bradford) 4. Re: Strange ! and line break coming through via msyql/php/mail() (Rukbat) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 22:11:21 -0500 (EST) From: jhy2104 at columbia.edu To: talk at lists.nyphp.org Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] talk Digest, Vol 61, Issue 15 Message-ID: <201111180311.pAI3BLwI029792 at longan.cc.columbia.edu> Hello: I have accepted a position outside of Columbia University, and no longer with CUMC Web Services. For further assistance: New projects and follow up: Michael Sellers Technical Questions Perry Smith Content Updates Setti Razavi Thanks, Dave ---------------- Remainder omitted here ---------------- From rainelemental at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 12:25:38 2011 From: rainelemental at gmail.com (Federico Ulfo) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:25:38 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Strange ! and line break coming through via msyql/php/mail() In-Reply-To: <4EC680A0.8030305@gmail.com> References: <4EC55482020000A400017059@gwsmtp1.smith.edu> <4EC680A0.8030305@gmail.com> Message-ID: That problem happened to me sometimes ago and I remember that was some bug of phpmailer, the best way to solve is to send email to yourself and debug line-by-line. -Federico On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Rukbat wrote: > Are you using a debugger (you should be). Echo the email body into your > debugger (not with echo statements, with whatever your debugger uses). If > that doesn't give you a clue, write a little character_to_hex function and > use that to sent the text to the debugger. It's getting into the email > somewhere (I assume you've tried different email clients to eliminate a > buggy client as the problem), so debugging the body text should show you > the bad text. Then debug further back, one step at a time, and you should > be able to find the line before the text gets corrupted and the line > after. That's where the corruption is occurring. > > (If you've already done all that and still haven't found it, ignore me.) > > Greetings, > > I have a script that gets some text out of a MySQL table and sends it in > the message body via the mail function. Some of the emails are coming > through with an exclamation point followed by the text being moved to a new > line. > > I'm not sure where this ! and \n are coming from. When I view the text in > mysql, it's clean, there is no ! or \n. If I output to the browser with > nl2br(), there is no ! or
. > > I've done some searching and haven't found any helpful info so I'm > appealing to you all. Has anyone seen behavior like this, or have a > recommendation for what I can do to diagnose or fix the problem? > > I have a number of rows in the table. Some of the them come through clean > on the email, and two come through with this mystery ! and line break. > I've had the emails go to different accounts and viewed via client or > browser, and that doesn't make a difference. > > Thoughts? Suggestions? > > Thanks, > > -Aaron > > > > > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing Listhttp://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation > > > > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rainelemental at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 12:30:26 2011 From: rainelemental at gmail.com (Federico Ulfo) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:30:26 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Current PHP developer rates In-Reply-To: References: <4EC571AC.8030500@kacomputerconsulting.com> <5182BFD6-23F6-4DB4-BF58-57C9DDB77E58@gmail.com> <4EC5DA4C.4010000@altzman.com> Message-ID: > > A really good programmer never has to search for a new position. There > are folks lined up around the proverbial block begging. What we need to > search for is a place to hide to get a week or two off here and there. Right, but there are so many opportunities that you still have to do many interviews to chose the best one, and this need time and energy. -- Federico Ulfo ? Certified Developer Google & PHP On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Ronald Bradford wrote: > Thanks to everybody that responded. > > > On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 11:08 PM, Jerry B. Altzman wrote: > >> on 11/17/2011 3:44 PM Joseph Crawford said the following: >> >> OH BOY remind me not to hire you :) >>> >> >> Your loss in that case. >> >> >> it depends on the length of the job, what's involved, how much money >>>> they have... >>>> >>> Why does how much money the client has determine what you are going to >>> charge. Sounds to me >>> like you don't have a solid figure on what you feel you are worth and >>> just try to get as much $$ as you can. >>> >> >> Actually, it is not uncommon to charge different *industries* different >> rates; nonprofits typically get lower per-hour rates. There is a perception >> about cost and value going on. >> >> And...what precisely is wrong with trying to get as much $$ as you can? I >> like hacking, but I also like paying the mortgage on time, funding my other >> hobbies, paying for the kids' schools... >> >> //jbaltz >> -- >> jerry b. altzman | jbaltz at altzman.com | www.jbaltz.com | twitter:@lorvax >> thank you for contributing to the heat death of the universe. >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List >> http://lists.nyphp.org/**mailman/listinfo/talk >> >> http://www.nyphp.org/Show-**Participation >> > > > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For further assistance: New projects and follow up: Michael Sellers Technical Questions Perry Smith Content Updates Setti Razavi Thanks, Dave New Contact Email: dyoun at me.com ---------------- Original follows ---------------- >From talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org Sat Nov 19 12:00:16 2011 Received: from ne1.stackware.com (ne1.stackware.com [64.64.3.54]) by noni.cc.columbia.edu (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id pAJH0A6t008047 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2011 12:00:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from ne1.stackware.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ne1.stackware.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6BD94E40857A; Sat, 19 Nov 2011 12:00:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from lists.nyphp.org (unknown [72.26.195.121]) by ne1.stackware.com (Postfix) with ESMTP; Sat, 19 Nov 2011 12:00:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from ct2.nyphp.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lists.nyphp.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 877781CB075F; Sat, 19 Nov 2011 12:00:02 -0500 (EST) From: talk-request at lists.nyphp.org Subject: talk Digest, Vol 61, Issue 17 To: talk at lists.nyphp.org Reply-To: talk at lists.nyphp.org Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 12:00:01 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: talk at lists.nyphp.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: NYPHP Talk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org Errors-To: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org X-Spam-Score: -1 () CU_LONEURI CU_OK_LISTUNSUB CU_TAGGED_LINK X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 128.59.28.173 Send talk mailing list submissions to talk at lists.nyphp.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to talk-request at lists.nyphp.org You can reach the person managing the list at talk-owner at lists.nyphp.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of talk digest..." 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For further assistance: New projects and follow up: Michael Sellers Technical Questions Perry Smith Content Updates Setti Razavi Thanks, Dave New Contact Email: dyoun at me.com ---------------- Remainder omitted here ---------------- From bulk at zaunere.com Sat Nov 19 22:20:57 2011 From: bulk at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere) Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 22:20:57 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] talk Digest, Vol 61, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: References: <201111171700.pAHH0GRR007997@kumquat.cc.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <033e01cca733$6c26e200$4474a600$@zaunere.com> Sorry folks, he has been removed. H > -----Original Message----- > From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] > On Behalf Of Jeremy Mikola > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 12:21 PM > To: NYPHP Talk > Cc: dyoun at me.com > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] talk Digest, Vol 61, Issue 11 > > Dave, > > Please update your subscription settings for nyphp-talk. 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Developing a site isn't as simple as designing something that looks nice - you have to be able to write software. > > I am designing a survey form in flash and would like to send it to a > URL. I am new at this. I just got php because I have learned that > sending data to a database through php would work. I would like to > begin with setting up a URL in php, but not sure how. Can I get help > on this by someone please. Thank you, Carla > > > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From seesgeez at gmail.com Tue Nov 29 20:34:28 2011 From: seesgeez at gmail.com (Carla Gomez) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 20:34:28 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Creating a URL In-Reply-To: <4ED5165F.2090308@gmail.com> References: <7E6D7268-F6B1-4B5C-835D-7DE454A5D001@gmail.com> <4ED5165F.2090308@gmail.com> Message-ID: <78A77575-CD98-48FE-AEFD-2348BC71E26C@gmail.com> I have downloaded php5 and in my programs I have a folder named php5 and in it is a php.ini. Should there be a executable program. If this is not typical, where may I download the software and what file should I expect? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 29, 2011, at 12:29 PM, Rukbat wrote: > You "set up" a URL by buying a domain name and buying hosting from a hosting company. > > Then you write PHP (and Actionscript) code and upload it to the hosting site you bought. > > If you're a designer, I suggest that you find a developer to do your development work for you. Developing a site isn't as simple as designing something that looks nice - you have to be able to write software. >> >> I am designing a survey form in flash and would like to send it to a URL. I am new at this. I just got php because I have learned that sending data to a database through php would work. I would like to begin with setting up a URL in php, but not sure how. Can I get help on this by someone please. Thank you, Carla >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List >> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >> >> http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation > > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ka at kacomputerconsulting.com Tue Nov 29 20:52:36 2011 From: ka at kacomputerconsulting.com (Kristina Anderson) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 20:52:36 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Creating a URL In-Reply-To: <78A77575-CD98-48FE-AEFD-2348BC71E26C@gmail.com> References: <7E6D7268-F6B1-4B5C-835D-7DE454A5D001@gmail.com> <4ED5165F.2090308@gmail.com> <78A77575-CD98-48FE-AEFD-2348BC71E26C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4ED58C64.7020207@kacomputerconsulting.com> Developing the skills and knowledge to perform server-side development on any competent level takes a minimum of a couple of years in most cases. Therefore unless you have serious goals of becoming a server-side developer and are willing to put in the enormous time & energy commitment that sort of thing requires, I would second the recommendation to hire someone experienced to build this for you. Kristina On 11/29/2011 8:34 PM, Carla Gomez wrote: > I have downloaded php5 and in my programs I have a folder named php5 > and in it is a php.ini. Should there be a executable program. If > this is not typical, where may I download the software and what file > should I expect? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 29, 2011, at 12:29 PM, Rukbat > wrote: > >> You "set up" a URL by buying a domain name and buying hosting from a >> hosting company. >> >> Then you write PHP (and Actionscript) code and upload it to the >> hosting site you bought. >> >> If you're a designer, I suggest that you find a developer to do your >> development work for you. Developing a site isn't as simple as >> designing something that looks nice - you have to be able to write >> software. >>> >>> I am designing a survey form in flash and would like to send it to a >>> URL. I am new at this. I just got php because I have learned that >>> sending data to a database through php would work. I would like to >>> begin with setting up a URL in php, but not sure how. Can I get >>> help on this by someone please. Thank you, Carla >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List >>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >>> >>> http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List >> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >> >> http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation > > > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Enjoy On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Kristina Anderson < ka at kacomputerconsulting.com> wrote: > Developing the skills and knowledge to perform server-side development on > any competent level takes a minimum of a couple of years in most cases. > Therefore unless you have serious goals of becoming a server-side developer > and are willing to put in the enormous time & energy commitment that sort > of thing requires, I would second the recommendation to hire someone > experienced to build this for you. > > Kristina > > > On 11/29/2011 8:34 PM, Carla Gomez wrote: > > I have downloaded php5 and in my programs I have a folder named php5 and > in it is a php.ini. Should there be a executable program. If this is not > typical, where may I download the software and what file should I expect? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 29, 2011, at 12:29 PM, Rukbat wrote: > > You "set up" a URL by buying a domain name and buying hosting from a > hosting company. > > Then you write PHP (and Actionscript) code and upload it to the hosting > site you bought. > > If you're a designer, I suggest that you find a developer to do your > development work for you. Developing a site isn't as simple as designing > something that looks nice - you have to be able to write software. > > > I am designing a survey form in flash and would like to send it to a URL. > I am new at this. I just got php because I have learned that sending data > to a database through php would work. I would like to begin with setting > up a URL in php, but not sure how. Can I get help on this by someone > please. Thank you, Carla > > > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing Listhttp://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation > > > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation > > > > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing Listhttp://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation > > > > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bruce.amick at gmail.com Wed Nov 30 00:08:48 2011 From: bruce.amick at gmail.com (bruce amick) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 00:08:48 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Creating a URL In-Reply-To: References: <7E6D7268-F6B1-4B5C-835D-7DE454A5D001@gmail.com> <4ED5165F.2090308@gmail.com> <78A77575-CD98-48FE-AEFD-2348BC71E26C@gmail.com> <4ED58C64.7020207@kacomputerconsulting.com> Message-ID: And after you download and install Mamp/Wamp/or Xampp you can go to w3schools for some pretty easy to follow tutorials and examples: http://www.w3schools.com/php/php_forms.asp On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:53 PM, Federico Ulfo wrote: > It's easy, download MAMP for > Macintosh or WAMP for Windows, they will > install all you need, Apache, MySql, PHP. After that you can start create > an index.php file in your web folder and test it on your http://localhost/with your browser. > > Enjoy > > > > On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Kristina Anderson < > ka at kacomputerconsulting.com> wrote: > >> Developing the skills and knowledge to perform server-side development >> on any competent level takes a minimum of a couple of years in most >> cases. Therefore unless you have serious goals of becoming a server-side >> developer and are willing to put in the enormous time & energy commitment >> that sort of thing requires, I would second the recommendation to hire >> someone experienced to build this for you. >> >> Kristina >> >> >> On 11/29/2011 8:34 PM, Carla Gomez wrote: >> >> I have downloaded php5 and in my programs I have a folder named php5 and >> in it is a php.ini. Should there be a executable program. If this is not >> typical, where may I download the software and what file should I expect? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Nov 29, 2011, at 12:29 PM, Rukbat wrote: >> >> You "set up" a URL by buying a domain name and buying hosting from a >> hosting company. >> >> Then you write PHP (and Actionscript) code and upload it to the hosting >> site you bought. >> >> If you're a designer, I suggest that you find a developer to do your >> development work for you. Developing a site isn't as simple as designing >> something that looks nice - you have to be able to write software. >> >> >> I am designing a survey form in flash and would like to send it to a URL. >> I am new at this. I just got php because I have learned that sending data >> to a database through php would work. I would like to begin with setting >> up a URL in php, but not sure how. Can I get help on this by someone >> please. Thank you, Carla >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing Listhttp://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >> http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List >> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >> >> http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing Listhttp://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >> http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List >> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >> >> http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation >> > > > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From ka at kacomputerconsulting.com Wed Nov 30 07:49:11 2011 From: ka at kacomputerconsulting.com (Kristina Anderson) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 07:49:11 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Creating a URL In-Reply-To: References: <7E6D7268-F6B1-4B5C-835D-7DE454A5D001@gmail.com> <4ED5165F.2090308@gmail.com> <78A77575-CD98-48FE-AEFD-2348BC71E26C@gmail.com> <4ED58C64.7020207@kacomputerconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4ED62647.4090104@kacomputerconsulting.com> I've seen guys with Computer Science degrees, btw, have problems setting up WAMP. :) On 11/30/2011 12:08 AM, bruce amick wrote: > And after you download and install Mamp/Wamp/or Xampp you can go to > w3schools for some pretty easy to follow tutorials and examples: > http://www.w3schools.com/php/php_forms.asp > > > > On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:53 PM, Federico Ulfo > > wrote: > > It's easy, download MAMP for > Macintosh or WAMP for > Windows, they will install all you need, Apache, MySql, PHP. After > that you can start create an index.php file in your web folder and > test it on your http://localhost/ with your browser. > > Enjoy > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ramons at gmx.net Wed Nov 30 07:57:29 2011 From: ramons at gmx.net (David Krings) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 07:57:29 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Creating a URL In-Reply-To: <4ED62647.4090104@kacomputerconsulting.com> References: <7E6D7268-F6B1-4B5C-835D-7DE454A5D001@gmail.com> <4ED5165F.2090308@gmail.com> <78A77575-CD98-48FE-AEFD-2348BC71E26C@gmail.com> <4ED58C64.7020207@kacomputerconsulting.com> <4ED62647.4090104@kacomputerconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4ED62839.10309@gmx.net> On 11/30/2011 7:49 AM, Kristina Anderson wrote: > > I've seen guys with Computer Science degrees, btw, have problems setting up > WAMP. :) > There is also the XAMPP/WAMPP from apachefriends.org. There you really only need to click buttons....and then at least delete the incredibly buggy phpMyAdmin. Other than that, using apachefriends fine package for almost ten years now and never had a problem. David From rukbat at webdingers.com Wed Nov 30 08:19:27 2011 From: rukbat at webdingers.com (Rukbat) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 08:19:27 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Creating a URL In-Reply-To: <4ED62647.4090104@kacomputerconsulting.com> References: <7E6D7268-F6B1-4B5C-835D-7DE454A5D001@gmail.com> <4ED5165F.2090308@gmail.com> <78A77575-CD98-48FE-AEFD-2348BC71E26C@gmail.com> <4ED58C64.7020207@kacomputerconsulting.com> <4ED62647.4090104@kacomputerconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4ED62D5F.9000308@gmail.com> Telling her that it's as simple as setting up a WAMP stack is like telling a good programmer that design is as simple as downloading Paint.net. A really good designer is right-brained. A really good developer is left-brained. The last person of whom I'm aware who was both left- and right-brained was Leonardo da Vinci - it's that rare. People should stick to what they're good at, and get others to do what they really aren't physically equipped to do. It's no shame if an artist can't figure out how to write code, or if a short person can't play pro basketball. (BTW, some people who have CS degrees would have been better off going for a BFA.) > I've seen guys with Computer Science degrees, btw, have problems > setting up WAMP. :) > > On 11/30/2011 12:08 AM, bruce amick wrote: >> And after you download and install Mamp/Wamp/or Xampp you can go to >> w3schools for some pretty easy to follow tutorials and examples: >> http://www.w3schools.com/php/php_forms.asp >> >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:53 PM, Federico Ulfo >> > wrote: >> >> It's easy, download MAMP for >> Macintosh or WAMP for >> Windows, they will install all you need, Apache, MySql, PHP. >> After that you can start create an index.php file in your web >> folder and test it on your http://localhost/ with your browser. >> >> Enjoy >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ka at kacomputerconsulting.com Wed Nov 30 08:26:59 2011 From: ka at kacomputerconsulting.com (Kristina Anderson) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 08:26:59 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Creating a URL In-Reply-To: <4ED62D5F.9000308@gmail.com> References: <7E6D7268-F6B1-4B5C-835D-7DE454A5D001@gmail.com> <4ED5165F.2090308@gmail.com> <78A77575-CD98-48FE-AEFD-2348BC71E26C@gmail.com> <4ED58C64.7020207@kacomputerconsulting.com> <4ED62647.4090104@kacomputerconsulting.com> <4ED62D5F.9000308@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4ED62F23.3030707@kacomputerconsulting.com> Actually people would probably say that I'm both left & right brained in some ways...although for sure I'm no DaVinci, LOL. And, I think the guys were joking around a bit with their suggestions. It's certainly not a trivial thing for any non-engineer to set up a web server! Speaking as someone who, with a B.A. degree in English and basically NO knowledge of computers, somehow taught myself to be a pretty darn good server-side programmer in my 30s (this was back around 1996/1997 that I started), I can attest that it IS possible but only if you have both a LOT of time & patience, AND a tolerance for huge amounts of mental agony....and plan on not having much of a social life for a decade or two. I certainly do not want to dissuade anyone from trying. Kristina On 11/30/2011 8:19 AM, Rukbat wrote: On 11/30/2011 8:19 AM, Rukbat wrote: > Telling her that it's as simple as setting up a WAMP stack is like > telling a good programmer that design is as simple as downloading > Paint.net. A really good designer is right-brained. A really good > developer is left-brained. The last person of whom I'm aware who was > both left- and right-brained was Leonardo da Vinci - it's that rare. > People should stick to what they're good at, and get others to do what > they really aren't physically equipped to do. It's no shame if an > artist can't figure out how to write code, or if a short person can't > play pro basketball. > > (BTW, some people who have CS degrees would have been better off going > for a BFA.) >> I've seen guys with Computer Science degrees, btw, have problems >> setting up WAMP. :) >> >> On 11/30/2011 12:08 AM, bruce amick wrote: >>> And after you download and install Mamp/Wamp/or Xampp you can go to >>> w3schools for some pretty easy to follow tutorials and examples: >>> http://www.w3schools.com/php/php_forms.asp >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:53 PM, Federico Ulfo >>> > wrote: >>> >>> It's easy, download MAMP >>> for Macintosh or WAMP >>> for Windows, they will install >>> all you need, Apache, MySql, PHP. After that you can start >>> create an index.php file in your web folder and test it on your >>> http://localhost/ with your browser. >>> >>> Enjoy >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List >> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >> >> http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation > > > > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation -- Kristina Anderson PHP/MySQL/LAMP/AJAX Systems Analyst / Programmer / Consultant 646 247 4987 > Telling her that it's as simple as setting up a WAMP stack is like > telling a good programmer that design is as simple as downloading > Paint.net. A really good designer is right-brained. A really good > developer is left-brained. The last person of whom I'm aware who was > both left- and right-brained was Leonardo da Vinci - it's that rare. > People should stick to what they're good at, and get others to do what > they really aren't physically equipped to do. It's no shame if an > artist can't figure out how to write code, or if a short person can't > play pro basketball. (BTW, some people who have CS degrees would have > been better off going for a BFA.) >> I've seen guys with Computer Science degrees, btw, have problems >> setting up WAMP. :) On 11/30/2011 12:08 AM, bruce amick wrote: >>> And after you download and install Mamp/Wamp/or Xampp you can go to >>> w3schools for some pretty easy to follow tutorials and examples: >>> http://www.w3schools.com/php/php_forms.asp >>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:53 PM, Federico Ulfo >>> > wrote: >>> >>> It's easy, download MAMP >>> for Macintosh or WAMP >>> for Windows, they will install >>> all you need, Apache, MySql, PHP. After that you can start >>> create an index.php file in your web folder and test it on your >>> http://localhost/ with your browser. Enjoy >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List >> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >> >> http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation > > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From justin at justinhileman.info Wed Nov 30 10:42:07 2011 From: justin at justinhileman.info (justin) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 07:42:07 -0800 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Creating a URL In-Reply-To: <7E6D7268-F6B1-4B5C-835D-7DE454A5D001@gmail.com> References: <7E6D7268-F6B1-4B5C-835D-7DE454A5D001@gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm assuming you simply want a way to handle a form, and you're not trying to become a web developer today. If this assumption is wrong, feel free to disregard the following links :) http://wufoo.com/ https://docs.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=87809 -- justin On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Carla Gomez wrote: > > I am designing a survey form in flash and would like to send it to a URL. ?I > am new at this. ?I just got php because I have learned that sending data to > a database through php would work. ?I would like to begin with setting up a > URL in php, but not sure how. ??Can I get help on this by someone please. > ?Thank you, ?Carla > > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation -- http://justinhileman.com From seesgeez at gmail.com Wed Nov 30 10:47:13 2011 From: seesgeez at gmail.com (Carla Gomez) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 10:47:13 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Creating a URL In-Reply-To: References: <7E6D7268-F6B1-4B5C-835D-7DE454A5D001@gmail.com> Message-ID: <59DBC85B-7EA6-4968-8A2B-7C167D91E52C@gmail.com> Yes I believe you are right. My background is architecture as well as engineering, but I have a project to complete and appreciate the help. Thanks! Sent from my iPhone On Nov 30, 2011, at 10:42 AM, justin wrote: > I'm assuming you simply want a way to handle a form, and you're not > trying to become a web developer today. If this assumption is wrong, > feel free to disregard the following links :) > > http://wufoo.com/ > > https://docs.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=87809 > > > -- justin > > > On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Carla Gomez wrote: >> >> I am designing a survey form in flash and would like to send it to a URL. I >> am new at this. I just got php because I have learned that sending data to >> a database through php would work. I would like to begin with setting up a >> URL in php, but not sure how. Can I get help on this by someone please. >> Thank you, Carla >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List >> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >> >> http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation > > > > -- > http://justinhileman.com > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation From seesgeez at gmail.com Wed Nov 30 11:03:29 2011 From: seesgeez at gmail.com (Carla Gomez) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 11:03:29 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Creating a URL In-Reply-To: References: <7E6D7268-F6B1-4B5C-835D-7DE454A5D001@gmail.com> Message-ID: I saw the info and no creating a form is not the task of concern. I am collecting info from multiple desktops daily and long term and will store it for later analysis. I am writing the interface in actionscript and plan to store data in mysql. Thanks however. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 30, 2011, at 10:42 AM, justin wrote: > I'm assuming you simply want a way to handle a form, and you're not > trying to become a web developer today. If this assumption is wrong, > feel free to disregard the following links :) > > http://wufoo.com/ > > https://docs.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=87809 > > > -- justin > > > On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Carla Gomez wrote: >> >> I am designing a survey form in flash and would like to send it to a URL. I >> am new at this. I just got php because I have learned that sending data to >> a database through php would work. I would like to begin with setting up a >> URL in php, but not sure how. Can I get help on this by someone please. >> Thank you, Carla >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List >> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >> >> http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation > > > > -- > http://justinhileman.com > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation From rsd at electronink.com Wed Nov 30 11:05:22 2011 From: rsd at electronink.com (Russ Demarest) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 11:05:22 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Creating a URL In-Reply-To: References: <7E6D7268-F6B1-4B5C-835D-7DE454A5D001@gmail.com> Message-ID: <85A3DF54-AB0F-4DC5-A56D-55B3510B212C@electronink.com> How about a shared hosting service where the server is set up and you can use it to learn how to do what you want. GoDaddy is like $3 a month. Good Luck, Russ On Nov 30, 2011, at 11:03 AM, Carla Gomez wrote: > I saw the info and no creating a form is not the task of concern. I am collecting info from multiple desktops daily and long term and will store it for later analysis. I am writing the interface in actionscript and plan to store data in mysql. Thanks however. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 30, 2011, at 10:42 AM, justin wrote: > >> I'm assuming you simply want a way to handle a form, and you're not >> trying to become a web developer today. If this assumption is wrong, >> feel free to disregard the following links :) >> >> http://wufoo.com/ >> >> https://docs.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=87809 >> >> >> -- justin >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Carla Gomez wrote: >>> >>> I am designing a survey form in flash and would like to send it to a URL. I >>> am new at this. I just got php because I have learned that sending data to >>> a database through php would work. I would like to begin with setting up a >>> URL in php, but not sure how. Can I get help on this by someone please. >>> Thank you, Carla >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List >>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >>> >>> http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation >> >> >> >> -- >> http://justinhileman.com >> _______________________________________________ >> New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List >> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >> >> http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation From seesgeez at gmail.com Wed Nov 30 13:00:44 2011 From: seesgeez at gmail.com (Carla Gomez) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:00:44 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Creating a URL In-Reply-To: <85A3DF54-AB0F-4DC5-A56D-55B3510B212C@electronink.com> References: <7E6D7268-F6B1-4B5C-835D-7DE454A5D001@gmail.com> <85A3DF54-AB0F-4DC5-A56D-55B3510B212C@electronink.com> Message-ID: <6D3DDB05-B410-4895-8D7E-A88C4122DA6A@gmail.com> Russ, yes I am looking into alternatives as well. Thanks. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 30, 2011, at 11:05 AM, Russ Demarest wrote: > How about a shared hosting service where the server is set up and you can use it to learn how to do what you want. GoDaddy is like $3 a month. > > Good Luck, > Russ > On Nov 30, 2011, at 11:03 AM, Carla Gomez wrote: > >> I saw the info and no creating a form is not the task of concern. I am collecting info from multiple desktops daily and long term and will store it for later analysis. I am writing the interface in actionscript and plan to store data in mysql. Thanks however. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Nov 30, 2011, at 10:42 AM, justin wrote: >> >>> I'm assuming you simply want a way to handle a form, and you're not >>> trying to become a web developer today. If this assumption is wrong, >>> feel free to disregard the following links :) >>> >>> http://wufoo.com/ >>> >>> https://docs.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=87809 >>> >>> >>> -- justin >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Carla Gomez wrote: >>>> >>>> I am designing a survey form in flash and would like to send it to a URL. I >>>> am new at this. I just got php because I have learned that sending data to >>>> a database through php would work. I would like to begin with setting up a >>>> URL in php, but not sure how. Can I get help on this by someone please. >>>> Thank you, Carla >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List >>>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >>>> >>>> http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> http://justinhileman.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List >>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >>> >>> http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation >> _______________________________________________ >> New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List >> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >> >> http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation > > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation From nelly at cgim.com Wed Nov 30 13:10:49 2011 From: nelly at cgim.com (Nelly Yusupova) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:10:49 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Invitation to NYC Webgrrls Holiday Celebration - Dec 7 Message-ID: Hello Everyone, Holiday Season is fast approaching and to kick it off NYC Webgrrls is organizing a Holiday Celebration event on Dec 7. When the Webgrrls Community gets together, it becomes an industry event, not only about revelry but also about the celebration of the achievements of women in technology and business. I wanted to extend the invitation to the NYPHP group to attend. We will start at 7:00 PM with an open bar for two hours, some great Italian food, door prizes and drawings from our sponsors. We encourage all of you to invite clients, friends, and colleagues (both male and female). To RSVP: https://www.webgrrls.com/events/:397 EVENT DETAILS: WHAT: NYC Webgrrls Holiday Networking Event WHEN: Wednesday, Dec 7 7 PM - 9 PM WHERE: Wix Lounge 10 West 18 St, 2 Floor PRICE: $20 (pre-pay) $30 (at the door) You must RSVP to attend. RSVP Now: https://www.webgrrls.com/events/:397 Raffle Prizes Include: * Xent Starter Kit from Xent * Blackberry SmartPhones from Blackberry * $50 iTunes Gift Card from Freshbooks * One free Unlimited FreshBooks account from Freshbooks * Bamboo Create Tablets from Wacom Menu Items Include: Stuffed mushrooms Eggplant Rolatini Gourmet Brick Oven Pizza Penne al la Vodka Chicken Picata ...and much more! What is New York City Webgrrls? Webgrrls International is a community of professional women who leverage technology to become more successful in their careers and businesses. With Technology changing at the speed of light, women from all walks of life join webgrrls to ?stay in the know?, discuss the latest tech trends, support each other through business and technology issues, and develop new business contacts and friends. Members can connect online or in person at a local chapter by attending monthly meetings and workshops. I look forward to seeing you there! Sincerely, Nelly Yusupova Webgrrls.com nelly at cgim.com 917 603-9226 (phone) URL: http://www.webgrrls.com Blog: http://www.webgrrls.com/blog/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/DigitalWoman ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rukbatsramblings at gmail.com Wed Nov 30 13:53:10 2011 From: rukbatsramblings at gmail.com (Rukbat) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:53:10 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Creating a URL In-Reply-To: References: <7E6D7268-F6B1-4B5C-835D-7DE454A5D001@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4ED67B96.3050804@gmail.com> On 11/30/2011 11:03 AM, Carla Gomez wrote: >I saw the info and no creating a form is not the task of concern. I am collecting info from multiple desktops daily and long term and will store it for later analysis. I am writing the interface in actionscript And that's why you're having problems. Actionscript isn't the language you should be using. If this is being done on a website, you should be using Javascript in the client and PHP on the server. From chsnyder at gmail.com Wed Nov 30 14:05:58 2011 From: chsnyder at gmail.com (Chris Snyder) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 14:05:58 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Creating a URL In-Reply-To: <4ED67B96.3050804@gmail.com> References: <7E6D7268-F6B1-4B5C-835D-7DE454A5D001@gmail.com> <4ED67B96.3050804@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 1:53 PM, Rukbat wrote: > On 11/30/2011 11:03 AM, Carla Gomez wrote: > >>I saw the info and no creating a form is not the task of concern. I am >> collecting info from multiple desktops daily and long term and will store it >> for later analysis. I am writing the interface in actionscript > > And that's why you're having problems. ?Actionscript isn't the language you > should be using. ?If this is being done on a website, you should be using > Javascript in the client and PHP on the server. Not really. Plenty of Flash applications out there connect to PHP scripts serverside. The problem seems to be more along the lines of not conceptually understanding how to set up PHP and get to "hello world" on a server and/or at a web address. From seesgeez at gmail.com Wed Nov 30 14:12:35 2011 From: seesgeez at gmail.com (Carla Gomez) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 14:12:35 -0500 Subject: [nycphp-talk] Creating a URL In-Reply-To: References: <7E6D7268-F6B1-4B5C-835D-7DE454A5D001@gmail.com> <4ED67B96.3050804@gmail.com> Message-ID: Check. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 30, 2011, at 2:05 PM, Chris Snyder wrote: > On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 1:53 PM, Rukbat wrote: >> On 11/30/2011 11:03 AM, Carla Gomez wrote: >> >>> I saw the info and no creating a form is not the task of concern. I am >>> collecting info from multiple desktops daily and long term and will store it >>> for later analysis. I am writing the interface in actionscript >> >> And that's why you're having problems. Actionscript isn't the language you >> should be using. If this is being done on a website, you should be using >> Javascript in the client and PHP on the server. > > Not really. Plenty of Flash applications out there connect to PHP > scripts serverside. > > The problem seems to be more along the lines of not conceptually > understanding how to set up PHP and get to "hello world" on a server > and/or at a web address. > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation